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purpledawn Member (Idle past 3485 days) Posts: 4453 From: Indiana Joined: |
quote:I like your conclusion. "Peshat is what I say and derash is what you say." --Nehama Leibowitz
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Hyroglyphx Inactive Member |
THEIST
1. Nemesis Juggernaut 2. Faith 3. Mjfloresta 4. Catholic Scientist 5. Percy 6. Iano 7. Arachnophilia 8. Buzsaw 9. Phat 10. Jazzns 11. Trixie 12. Tal 13. GDR 14. Anglagard 15. Purpledawn 16. MitchellMckain 17. Obvious Child AGNOSTIC1. Creavolution 2. Omnivorous 3. Schrafinator 4. MangyTiger 5. Rail Bird 6. Rick JB 7. Inflixion 8. Tusko 9. Ekman 10. ReverendDG 11. U can call me Cookie 12. Wounded King 13. Fragallrocks 14. Codegate 15. Legend ATHEIST1. Robinrohan 2. Ramoss 3. Subbie 4. Annafan 5. Chronos 6. Corpagyps 7. Randy Feagley 8. Crashfrog 9. Mutty6969 10. CK 11. Chiroptera 12. Michael 13. Nighttrain 14. NosyNed 15. Jaderis 16. Parasomnium 17. Quetzal 18. NeuroCycle 19. Mick 20. Minnemouseus 21. Kalimero 22. Sidelined 23. TS 24. Kisimons 25. Beatle Addict 26. Ohnhai 27. TechnoCore NONE OF OUR BUISNESS1. DrJones RINGO-- IN A CLASS BY HIMSELF1. RINGO (there can only be one Ringo to rule them all) |
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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1372 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
I prefer to march to my own drummer. *is reminded of a scene in dead poets society* anyways, ringo, there are only two kinds of people in this world. those who can be grouped into one of two kinds of people, and those who cannot.
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Heathen Member (Idle past 1311 days) Posts: 1067 From: Brizzle Joined: |
Can we do a poll which outlined Creationist/Evolutionist/Undecided??
as has been pointed out many theists are not biblical literalists.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Creationist should probably be broken down further to ID and YEC, and possibly others. Or maybe that's for the next poll.
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anglagard Member (Idle past 865 days) Posts: 2339 From: Socorro, New Mexico USA Joined: |
quote: Seconded.
quote: Of course not, some theists are not even Christian, Muslim, or Jewish.
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tudwell Member (Idle past 6007 days) Posts: 172 From: KCMO Joined: |
agnostic.
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Ben! Member (Idle past 1427 days) Posts: 1161 From: Hayward, CA Joined: |
Not to be an ass (but it does just come naturally), but while my head says "atheist", my actions say "theist" and my heart is numb at this point. It's like when you sit on your ass too long, and it's just painful to move or anything, your legs leave you... I'm just waiting out all the learning and growing to see what I'll feel when I've had time to settle into the new me.
Does that sound, then, like ... agnostic? Feel free to diagnose and tally as you see fit.
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mitchellmckain Member (Idle past 6451 days) Posts: 60 From: Salt Lake City, Utah, USA Joined: |
ringo writes:
Oh. I didn't know we were talking about you.
Ding ding ding ding! You win the prize! That's the first time I've actually been called an "atheist" at EvC.
ringo writes:
The theist simply experiences God. I never heard of anybody claiming to share what an atheist experiences and then claim that this is not the result of the fact that God does not exist. Of course that does not mean that you haven't. But accusing every theist of the same thing is wrong.
Nonsense. It is the theist who is denying my experience. I grew up in an utterly theist environment and I am telling you that I have the same feelings as every theist I have ever met.I am just saying that I'm not convinced that those feelings were injected into me. It is you that assume that you experience everything that I do, not me who assumes that I experience everything that you do. Thus you call my experiences delusions, but since I presume no knowledge of your experiences, then I would not make any comment about them. But it does seem strange to me if you are claiming a experience of the non-existence of God. This is implied by your claim that the theist's belief in God is a denial of your experience. An experience of the non-existence of something does seem like a rather unusual claim to me. So even if I was claiming that your disbelief in God was a denial of my experience of God (and I am not), the situations are not equivalent.
ringo writes:
I was paying attention the first time. I just did not know we were talking about you. But now I can say now it is you who are playing games. The experiences in question are experiences of God, to deny the connection to God is to deny that they are experiences of God. And by assuming that everyone's experiences of God are delusions, you are most definitely an atheist. I am saying that the "experience" does have a basis in fact - but there is a possible disconnect between that fact and "God". Edited by mitchellmckain, : spelling See my relativistic physics of space flight simimulator at Astahost.com
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
mitchellmcKain writes: I never heard of anybody claiming to share what an atheist experiences and then claim that this is not the result of the fact that God does not exist. Too many "nots" in that sentence. As a physicist, I hope you're more precise with numbers. I'm telling you: I have had the same "experiences" as every theist I know and I have reservations about attributing them to "God".
Thus you call my experiences delusions.... Of course I never said any such thing.
But it does seem strange to me if you are claiming a experience of the non-existence of God. I don't know where you're getting that. I never said anything about "experiencing non-existence" - whatever the @#$% that means. I'll type slower this time: I claim the same experiences as all the theists I know. Call it a "possession" by some celestial spook, if you like. I don't.
The experiences in question are experiences of God, to deny the connection to God is to deny that they are experiences of God. Exactly. I deny that the experiences are necessarily experiences of God. Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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mitchellmckain Member (Idle past 6451 days) Posts: 60 From: Salt Lake City, Utah, USA Joined: |
ringo writes:
Well that does sound more like an agnostic position. But my point was simply that by claiming to have the same experiences as other people, the judment you pass on those experiences have a quality of universal judgement.
I'm telling you: I have had the same "experiences" as every theist I know and I have reservations about attributing them to "God". ringo writes:
And I deny that your experiences are necessarily the same as my experiences. Exactly. I deny that the experiences are necessarily experiences of God. See my relativistic physics of space flight simimulator at Astahost.com
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Wounded King Member Posts: 4149 From: Cincinnati, Ohio, USA Joined: |
If someone mentions the word qualia I might just scream.
TTFN, WK
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Legend writes: with regard to the Christian God I'm an atheist. with regard to any other gods I'm an agnostic. Lemme get this straight. In regards to the Christian God, to me, means that God is Spirit, is alive today and incarnated through Jesus Christ. You say that you definitely don't acknowledge that! Yet...any other gods means what? Gosh, Legend...you sure did add to the confusion! and please don't bring up the I.P.U., Loki the trickster, or that darn spaghetti monster!
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
mitchellmckain writes: But my point was simply that by claiming to have the same experiences as other people, the judment you pass on those experiences have a quality of universal judgement. The only way I can "judge" somebody else's feelings is by how they describe them and by how they behave. By that standard of "judgement", there is no discernable difference between my feelings and a theist's. Unless you can show us a better method of "judging" other people's feelings, you're going to have to accept my "judgement". Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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Legend Member (Idle past 5034 days) Posts: 1226 From: Wales, UK Joined: |
Phat writes: In regards to the Christian God, to me, means that God is Spirit, is alive today and incarnated through Jesus Christ. You say that you definitely don't acknowledge that! don't be surprised Phat. It's just that i've concluded that the Christian God, as defined in the Bible, doesn't exist, cannot exist. As for other Gods, I don't know enough about them to make a decision either way, hence the agnosticism. It's quite simple really! P.S I was going to bring up Crom Cruaich, the Lord of the Mount, but you pre-empted me there! "In life, you have to face that some days you'll be the pigeon and some days you'll be the statue."
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