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kuresu Member (Idle past 2543 days) Posts: 2544 From: boulder, colorado Joined: |
ah, com'on, you can get my name right.
it's: k u r e s u. not k u r a s u. I await your response. All a man's knowledge comes from his experiences
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joshua221  Inactive Member |
Haha, don't worry I'll write a nice long one for you. I'll address all your points. Too tired now.
Sidelined too. Not phat though, he's on my side. Brian too. lol
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CK Member (Idle past 4158 days) Posts: 3221 Joined: |
quote: Em.. hello Kettle, this is pot, you are black. (I mean you have READ your contributions to this thread?) Anyway let's start with something simple (and clearly, this will be simple and straight forward work for a profound figure such as yourself who has described smith's work as "feeble" and therefore clear had been able to do read, critique and dismiss it). Since it seems we are discussing the fluidity of ideas and concepts that any particular aspect of Smith's work, let's start with something really simple.
What do you see as the influences on the transformation of the the invisible hand as a metaphor for the relationship between external actors, the labour market,superimposed fluctuations and so on in determining natural price to the more commonly found modern usage of the term. Just the broad trends and influences will be fine. We can get into the more complex stuff later. Edited by CK, : No reason given. Edited by CK, : No reason given. Edited by CK, : No reason given. Edited by CK, : No reason given.
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nator Member (Idle past 2200 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Yeah, good for you. Now why don't you address my post?
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ThingsChange Member (Idle past 5956 days) Posts: 315 From: Houston, Tejas (Mexican Colony) Joined: |
Phat writes:
Yeah, but a another guy is offering me less wood but is also offering bananas, which you cannot offer. Sorry, but I'll trade with him.
Open reciprocity was very simple. If I lived near a forest and you lived near the sea, I could provide you with wood in exchange for you providing me with fish. Phat writes:
Just the opposite! Money is a flexible exchange medium, whereas wood and fish are not! That's why it is preferred over barter (other than avoiding taxes)
It became complicated when money was invented. For one thing, the reciprocity became fixed and closed. I dont like it when the marketplace drives the prices. It means that I have to work for less because some cheap labor is willing to work less.
And why is the other person willing to work for less? Maybe because he/she has needs more than you. Maybe you have more because of others' hard work before you were born. You are blaming the wrong thing. Corruption is the biggest problem. That is why Mexico is a failure and their citizens seeking work here (along with their thugs). Corruption and lack of incentive for workers is why communism fails. Don't worry, though. The flood of uneducated people from culture-of-corruption Mexico will drain America and bring us down with them. The Democrats would rather have more votes than save the country, and the Republicans would rather have cheap labor. Neither one is representing what the citizens want (i.e. stop the flood and don't make them citizens). 'Liberalism is a mental disorder' - Michael Savage
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nator Member (Idle past 2200 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: It's nice to know that conservatives are at the forefront of promoting rational, civil political discourse in this country. Bravo for supporting Mr. Savage's efforts on this front. "Science is like a blabbermouth who ruins a movie by telling you how it ends! Well I say there are some things we don't want to know! Important things!" - Ned Flanders "Question with boldness even the existence of God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear." - Thomas Jefferson
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Silent H Member (Idle past 5849 days) Posts: 7405 From: satellite of love Joined: |
Yeah, good for you. Now why don't you address my post?
Say, where have I heard that before? Hmmm... Think that should work for him, when he just "figured you out"? Heheheh. Just doin' a little needlework, back to your reg'lar program... holmes {in temp decloak from lurker mode} "What a fool believes he sees, no wise man has the power to reason away." (D.Bros)
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joshua221  Inactive Member |
quote: Listen. Adam Smith perpetuated these ideas, and realities in his works. He devised much of the current system existing today in "the cizilized world". It's not even about Adam Smith, or who did it first. It's about how screwed up and horrible everything is. Many of your replies focused on why my facts were wrong, when I was trying to point out these bad things and this system. To go through each of my "thank you's" is trivial. You expressed understanding of this though in quote "Something tells me you don't mean to thank Smith for not living, as he did in fact live. If you blame him for the "false" live we all lead, its our choice to follow the "false" lives. I happen to think mine's real, but then, "I think not" (oops. do I disappear now)" So I don't know if you know my intentions. Also, connect the dots with the 9/11 reply. Ask yourself why anyone would attack us, think about it for a while, and then tell me.
quote: It is rather obvious that I would end in blaming much of humanity if that were the intent of my original post. And I am going to do something about it. I am going to remove myself from the system. But I need time to think it out. I have people I care about who wish not to be liberated, who I do not want to sadden, or hurt.
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joshua221  Inactive Member |
quote: Believe me, I have had ideas of my own, but I don't want power, or money, or to rule over people just like me. Power dies with my body, Money is an illusion. All I can give is my love, all I can do is transcend. I can't put down into word what I mean by transcend really. But I have realized rather quickly that it is the only thing that is worth my existence. My post is about me removing myself from it. I don't want to change it, it's gone, it's over, it was destroyed at the eating of the fruit, it's sin, and it's forever. I don't want to be a part of it.
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joshua221  Inactive Member |
Stop CK.
It's all meaningless. Those fancy words don't mean anything. It's all the same. Recycled ideas, crap, economics is dead. It's not complex, it's for simple men, it's for squanderers, and wastrels, it's not worth my time, and it wasn't worth Smith's existence.
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kuresu Member (Idle past 2543 days) Posts: 2544 From: boulder, colorado Joined: |
why would any one attack us?
any one who has anything to gain, and nothing to lose. it's not about capitalism. 9-11 was solely an attack against America for being the most powerful nation (and we are, for the moment), for being heathens, for having troups in Saudi Arabia. Osama is trying to destroy the top nation of the world--not because we use capitalism--but simply because he is against what we stand for. as to fixing the system, if you find it so horrible--I'm so glad you're just going to go and remove yourself. Fool. don't you realize that you have to actually go into the system, start from within, and change it? How do you change politics? A revolution--the most effective are from inside. you don't remove yourself--then the system will continue to self-perpetuate. you wanna change it? get in there. start a company. show everybody the right way to do this stuff. show us how to treat employees right. show us how not to exploit the workers. show us how to make a quality product. Don't go running away. (hint: look up REI) Change is happening. People are beginning to realize that the abomination known as capitalism today is screwed up--because people perverted it. Just like the neo-fascist nationalist party perverted the word nationalist, completely destroying what it originally meant. Me, I'm pissed off with the government. And what am I doing? I'm not running. My friend and I started our own party to try and fix things. we're just getting off the ground. and have already had to change the name (thanks to the previously mentionded neo-fascist bastards). But we're going to actually try and change the system. not run from it. All a man's knowledge comes from his experiences
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joshua221  Inactive Member |
quote: That's horrible, when because you live in a certain area, you are desensitized to believing that other humans are different than you. I thought at first that you were kidding, but your "From:" says Mexican colony or whatever.
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CK Member (Idle past 4158 days) Posts: 3221 Joined: |
Oh - that's it?
Do you want to try again when you've finished the course? or do you want me to make the questions more basic?
quote: So why start a thread on it? I know Phat will promote anything with your name on it (and it's pretty shameful he did - an adult should look out for a child, not set him up to look a fool in front of people), but YOU want to consider how silly and immature it makes you look when you try and play the big intellectual and then have to blow off the questions because you don't have a sufficent level of education to engage in the conversation. It makes you look shallow and vain and confirms people's view that you are a silly boy who's read a few backcovers. Two threads in a row, you've done that. You've know "the boy who cried wolf"? You are the boy who cried "I've read it! I get it!" Get your brother on here instead - he's got the same arrogance but unlike you, he has at least something to back that up with. Edited by CK, : No reason given. Edited by CK, : No reason given.
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kuresu Member (Idle past 2543 days) Posts: 2544 From: boulder, colorado Joined: |
you know what sucks--my college library seems to not have
"An Inquiry into the Nature and Causes of The Wealth of Nations" any other titles used that I can search for? I'm thinking a good reading is in order, but the damn library's lacking. All a man's knowledge comes from his experiences
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CK Member (Idle past 4158 days) Posts: 3221 Joined: |
quote: wrong - I'm almost close to calling you a liar, Have you reallyread smith, I'm not sure how someone who has could make such a statement. What did Smith think about regulation? What did he think about Capitalism? What did he think about Laissez-fairz economics? At least make your non-answer interesting this time, at least give it the illusion that you've read his stuff rather than just seen the name on a reading list or mentioned in a lecture slide. Edited by CK, : No reason given. Edited by CK, : No reason given. Edited by CK, : No reason given.
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