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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
John 10:10 writes: I personally do not have enough faith to not believe. That's like saying you don't have enough money to be poor. Whether or not believers are "mad", they certainly can make silly arguments.
... when I believed, God has rewarded me thousands of times over as I continue to dilligently seek Him. It's equally silly to assume that the rewards come from the belief - but it still might not be madness. Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
scottness writes: We were created to praise. Imitation is the most sincere form of praise. Pop quiz: How many times does the word "absolute" appear in the Bible?How many exclamation points appear in the Bible? We must, in order to fulfill our own hapiness, have an object of worship. Interesting choice of words: "object". Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
scottness writes: The whole concept of the Bible is absolute. Empty assertion. I asked you a question: How many times does the word "absolute" appear in the Bible? I'm giving you a chance to demonstrate that your beliefs are not madness. Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
scottness writes: The Word of God is by definition, Absolute. Empty assertion.
We can then insert the word absolute in the english as a synonym to describe what is ultimately a Biblical concept. Non sequitur.
How many times does the word 'absolute' appear in Russian? Silly question. I asked how many times the word appears in a specific book because you claim that the whole concept of the book involves that word. Is it unreasonable to expect an English book about absolutes to use the word "absolute"?
Why would you even play such game? It's not a game. It's an oppurtunity for you to demonstrate that your beliefs are rational. The obsession with absolutes in every thread doesn't seem rational, especially since you are unable to substantiate your claims of absolutes in any thread. The next rational step might be to demonstrate that your counted instances of "absolute" do constitute the whole concept of the Bible. Regurgitating Sunday School rhetoric is not a good demonstration of sanity. Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
anastasia writes: If we use 'absolute' as an adjective -complete in itself, perfect, faultless- I would imagine the Word of God to be absolute. Are you conflating "word of God" with "Bible"? Which version of the Bible is the complete word of God? Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
scottness writes: I follow my master. Your master said, "Ask and ye shall receive." I have asked you to demonstrate that your addiction to absolutes is not a symptom of madness. Your master would suffer the little children to come unto Him. He would not chase them away. Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
scottness writes: I have demonstrated it very well (as an amatuer apologist) for those willing to follow and understand. This isn't choir practice - it's is a debate site.
You ask questions, not because you want the answer to adjust your current thinking and conform to reality, but because you are trying to decide how to handle or twist the information so as to hold on to your current thinking in spite of it. Actually, no. I have no need to "hold on to" my current thinking.I haven't even told you what my "current thinking" is. I'm just trying to get you to think about your position instead of dribbling the same rhetoric over and over. Let's try again: Can you show any rationale for your obsessive belief in absolutes?No trick. Just a simple question. Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
scottness writes: I can tell by your questions, much of what you believe. And that is not something I can prove without your cooperation. So, without my "co-operation", what you think you know about me can't be distinguished from delusion? How does that relate to the topic? How can anybody distinguish what you think you know about God from delusion? Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
scottness writes: Can you show any rationale for your belief in absolutes? Thank you Kader. A reasonable question in the spirit of Archer. Actually, that was my question - Kader was quoting me.
2nd is the obvious fact that reality is absolute. Reality exists! The question here is about madness, which could be thought of as being out of touch with reality.If one's reality is a delusion, how can it be absolute? Does everyone who thinks he's Napoleon have an "absolute" reality? Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
scottness writes: Do you know reality? If not, then you cannot coherently tell anyone they are out of touch with it. I compare "my" reality with other people's reality. If we agree significantly about what is real, then yes, I do know reality to that extent. If most people agree that that fellow is not Napoleon, chances are that his "reality" is a delusion.
It is a delusion to think that you cannot know reality. When did I ever say you cannot know reality? It's only when somebody's reality doesn't match the consensus of what is "real" reality that questions of madness arise.
Another violent contradiction and therefore false. The thing about contradictions is that one of the options must be false. Are the "Napoleons" mad? Or are they the only ones with the "real" reality and everybody else is mad? Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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