anglagard writes:
Because all people are in essence, a part of God, all people are equal. As mentioned before, such a belief has political significance.
Ravi Zacharias,quoted in Robs Post writes:
When pluralism says that no worldview is dominant, there is a loss of reason, and our thinking becomes nonsensical.
Are we basicaly talking about the difference between communion and the loss of subject/object distinction between ourselves and God?
NIV writes:
John 17:1-18:1
"Father, the time has come. Glorify your Son, that your Son may glorify you. 2 For you granted him authority over all people that he might give eternal life to all those you have given him. 3 Now this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent. 4 I have brought you glory on earth by completing the work you gave me to do. 5 And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began.
6 "I have revealed you to those whom you gave me out of the world.
They were yours; you gave them to me and they have obeyed your word. 7 Now they know that everything you have given me comes from you. 8 For I gave them the words you gave me and they accepted them. They knew with certainty that I came from you, and they believed that you sent me. 9 I pray for them. I am not praying for the world, but for those you have given me, for they are yours. 10 All I have is yours, and all you have is mine. And glory has come to me through them. 11 I will remain in the world no longer, but they are still in the world, and I am coming to you. Holy Father, protect them by the power of your name-the name you gave me-so that they may be one as we are one. 12 While I was with them, I protected them and kept them safe by that name you gave me. None has been lost except the one doomed to destruction so that Scripture would be fulfilled.
13 "I am coming to you now, but I say these things while I am still in the world, so that they may have the full measure of my joy within them. 14 I have given them your word and the world has hated them, for they are not of the world any more than I am of the world. 15 My prayer is not that you take them out of the world but that you protect them from the evil one. 16 They are not of the world, even as I am not of it. 17 Sanctify them by the truth; your word is truth. 18 As you sent me into the world, I have sent them into the world. 19 For them I sanctify myself, that they too may be truly sanctified.
20 "My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message, 21 that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me. 22 I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one: 23 I in them and you in me. May they be brought to complete unity to let the world know that you sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me.
24 "Father, I want those you have given me to be with me where I am, and to see my glory, the glory you have given me because you loved me before the creation of the world.
25 "Righteous Father, though the world does not know you, I know you, and they know that you have sent me. 26
I have made you known to them, and will continue to make you known in order that the love you have for me may be in them and that I myself may be in them." NKJV writes:
John 17:26
26 And I have declared to them Your name, and will declare it, that the love with which You loved Me may be in them, and I in them."
NKJV
The Message Transliteration writes:
24-26Father, I want those you gave me
To be with me, right where I am,
So they can see my glory, the splendor you gave me,
Having loved me
Long before there ever was a world.
Righteous Father, the world has never known you,
But I have known you, and these disciples know
That you sent me on this mission.
I have made your very being known to them”
Who you are and what you do”
And continue to make it known,
So that your love for me
Might be in them
Exactly as I am in them.
WIKI writes:
The subject-object problem is a longstanding philosophical issue. It arises from the notion that the world consists of objects which are perceived or otherwise acted upon by subjects. This results in multiple questions regarding how subjects relate to objects.
Whenever we make a revolutionary leap in personal development, scientific theory or any other qualitative or quantum shift of paradigm or framework, that to which we are subject becomes object for consideration. That is, our perceptions and evaluations, those things that subject us to themselves, become things we can behold. Rather than be held by our perspective, we can hold it and choose our way of thinking. We can thus step back from patterns that bind and keep us in their hold, and instead choose whether to “hold” those ways or other ways. We can either be had by a thinking pattern or choose to have the pattern, as psychologist Robert Kegan has suggested.
A King has subjects. John Spong has a differing view of Christ, God, and humanity:
Spong writes:
Resurrection is an action of God. Jesus was raised into the meaning of God. It therefore cannot be a physical resuscitation occurring inside human history.
By the same token, communion is an action of God. Does this imply that communion cannot occur inside and/or within human history?
anglagard writes:
it is clear in modern psychology that the mind-body dichotomy is false. The mind requires the body and the body requires the mind in order for both to exist. One could say that the mind and the body are different attributes of the same being. Therefore the individual is both-and body and mind rather than either-or body or mind.
The prayer for unity with God---why would it be necessary in context of John17:26? Even Spong seems to imply a subject/object distinction between Jesus and God. Does the same implication exist for humanity?