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Author Topic:   Spinoza Pantheism Defined
jar
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Message 40 of 96 (379371)
01-23-2007 9:40 PM
Reply to: Message 38 by Rob
01-23-2007 9:31 PM


try to make at least one post on topic.
Absolutely NOTHING in your message has anything to do with the topic.
NOTHING.
It is all irrelevant, inane and in no way related to the topic.
In case you have forgotten, the topic is "Spinoza Pantheism Defined" not Rob's Jabberwocky.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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jar
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Message 47 of 96 (379390)
01-23-2007 11:38 PM
Reply to: Message 46 by Rob
01-23-2007 11:32 PM


Topic Rob
More off topic nonsense.
The Topic is "Spinoza Pantheism Defined".
Since it is obvious you cannot comprehend the topic of a thread, it is equally obvious that you are unable to read a Bible with comprehension.

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jar
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Message 69 of 96 (380214)
01-26-2007 6:13 PM
Reply to: Message 67 by anglagard
01-26-2007 4:53 PM


On Evil
Also, how could a supposedly all-powerful God permit evil to exist if it is “out there?” There is only one choice if good and evil are objective realities independent of the observer, god created evil and god allows evil to persist.
I would like to ask a few questions about "Evil".
When a lion kills a zebra is it being Evil?
When lightning starts a forest fire that burns down homes is it Evil?
When a mosquito bites someone and they get Malaria, is it Evil?

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jar
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Message 72 of 96 (380229)
01-26-2007 7:10 PM
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01-26-2007 7:07 PM


Re: On Evil
Let's see how it works under the good/bad/indifferent test?
But those are good/bad/indifferent tests.
How about Evil?
Is Evil simply "Bad"?

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Message 76 of 96 (380240)
01-26-2007 7:33 PM
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01-26-2007 7:25 PM


Re: On Evil
Looks like in religion and ethics, evil requires a human agent to initiate, therefore the actions of lions, fire, and mosquitos can't be considered evil.
Okay, so for Evil we are looking at HUMAN actions.
Looking at the definition you supplied it seems that there is another requirement.
From the definition:
quote:
In religion and ethics, Evil refers to the "bad" aspects of the behaviour and reasoning of human beings ” those which are deliberately void of conscience, and show a wanton penchant for destruction.
Does the latter part of that imply intent?

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jar
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Message 80 of 96 (380251)
01-26-2007 8:17 PM
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01-26-2007 8:05 PM


Re: On Evil
Yes, intent is implied. Isn't intent a subjective human action?
I am not sure intent is an action. The behavior is the action, but is intent?
Going back to your definition, so you can help me work this through, it contained:
In religion and ethics, Evil refers to the "bad" aspects of the behaviour and reasoning of human beings ” those which are deliberately void of conscience, and show a wanton penchant for destruction.
Note: "void of conscience".
This is where I question intent.
Often someone who does Evil may not Intend to do Evil. To use the old and worn example of Hitler, "Did Hitler intend Evil in the Final Solution?"
How does one qualify "Deliberately" "void" "of conscience" or "wanton" "penchant" "for destruction"?

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jar
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Message 84 of 96 (380284)
01-26-2007 10:16 PM
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01-26-2007 9:16 PM


Re: On Evil
My original 'intent' is that terms such as bad, evil, good, etc. are subjective. I don't see anything yet disputing this point.
I absolutely agree that they are subjective. Evil though as opposed to bad carries a distinct moral judgment. That is the part I think needs to be addressed.
Folk, you for example, say stuff like "God would not allow Evil."
But EVIL, seems to be very much a product of human creation. It is one group judging another groups intentions and motivations.
An asteroid strikes wiping out millions. Very bad but not Evil.
Allies invade Europe, killing millions, bombing whole cities into oblivion. Very bad but perhaps not Evil.
Final Solution. Evil.
So EVIL is not so much the event, the action or even the result but a judgment of humans by humans.

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