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nator
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Message 39 of 61 (384833)
02-13-2007 9:14 AM
Reply to: Message 14 by Archer Opteryx
02-08-2007 10:09 PM


Re: Exploding in the Sheaves
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When the cobalt bombs came to my door to do their exploding, the pitch opened with a question. 'If you died and met God today, and God asked you why he should let you into heaven, what would you say?'
Well?
What did you reply?

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nator
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Message 40 of 61 (384837)
02-13-2007 9:23 AM
Reply to: Message 24 by Phat
02-11-2007 11:23 AM


Re: What would I say?
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I suppose so, if one is honest. Some folks will feel more comfortable saying "I don't know..." forever, however....and I suppose that God (IF God exists) would surely understand the honesty of reservation.
"Comfortable."
I'm not sure that that is the right word to describe the agnostic's feelings.
There is really very little comfort to be derived from not having enough information to make a determination.
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The counter accusation touted by the infamous Cult Of Ignorance™ is that humans, being unwilling and incapable of accepting God by nature...will continue not to accept God if left alone.
On the contrary, all of humanity is extremely willing and capable, by nature, of accepting the supernatural.

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nator
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From: Ann Arbor
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Message 43 of 61 (384894)
02-13-2007 12:36 PM
Reply to: Message 28 by Phat
02-11-2007 11:56 AM


Re: What would I say?
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Choosing the right Deity could be viewed as important by some and irrelevant by others, since the proper Deity would be in control by default...regardless of our decisions to accept or reject the concept.
Of course, that's only true if the diety is the type that "controls" things.
The correct god might be the sort that set everything in motion and then let it fly with no further influence.

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nator
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From: Ann Arbor
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Message 45 of 61 (384897)
02-13-2007 12:42 PM
Reply to: Message 41 by Archer Opteryx
02-13-2007 11:36 AM


Re: Exploding in the Sheaves
I'd say, "God, you should let me into heaven because I've always hated Anne Geddes' work, which shows that I deserve a reward for my good taste."

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nator
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Message 46 of 61 (384900)
02-13-2007 12:45 PM
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02-13-2007 12:32 PM


Re: What would I say?
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When the idea of a God who is neither able to be controlled, defined, measured or manipulated comes up, however, many people do not feel comfortable with such an idea. The idea that we owe allegiance or at least respect to such a Being rubs many people the wrong way.
I would say that religions and their dogma are an attempt to define, measure, manipulate, and control god.
The very idea that we owe any proposed god respect or allegience is nothing more than religious dogma, invented and used to control the followers of that religion.

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nator
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Posts: 12961
From: Ann Arbor
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Message 49 of 61 (384904)
02-13-2007 12:55 PM
Reply to: Message 44 by Phat
02-13-2007 12:41 PM


Re: What would I say?
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Before Copernicus, everyone thought that the cosmos spun around us.
Not at all.
There are some Vedic Sandscrit writings that indicate such ideas from the 7th century BCE, and the Greek, Aristarchus, had a heliocentric model in the 3rd century BCE (that was possibly based upon even earlier Islamic astronomy and math.
As usual, only the Christian European history is remembered.
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Before Christ, we as humans usually view ourselves as the center of attention.
That is such crap, Phat!
Do I really need to list all of the pre-Christ religions and cultures that considered humans to be part of nature, and tiny and insignificant in the Grand Scheme of Things?
In fact, I would say that the rise of violent monotheistic religions such as Judaism tended to inflate humans as much more important that anything else on Earth, and one particular tribe of humans greater than everyone else.
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Its hard to accept that the best laid plans of mice and men are dependent upon an active Deity.
Yeah, especially when nothing at all about existence appears to be influenced by any active deity.

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nator
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Message 50 of 61 (384906)
02-13-2007 12:59 PM
Reply to: Message 48 by Phat
02-13-2007 12:51 PM


Re: What would I say?
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So you are saying that Man creates God in his own image?
I'd say that religions always do this.
If gods are actually a creation of our minds, or are real, is unknowable.
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What makes you so convinced that God exists and is like a patient though firm teacher, expecting you to come out of your comfort zones and open up to, if not embrace, an unmeasurable unverifiable faith concept?
Can you please try to formulate this again? I can't make sense of it.

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