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Nuggin Member (Idle past 2522 days) Posts: 2965 From: Los Angeles, CA USA Joined: |
Running out of room / time on the "Don't fear the atheist thread" so I figured I'd split off some of the debate to a new topic.
All Fundamental Christians are Atheists in regards to Zeus, Apollo, Thor, Vishnu, Coyote, the Hero Twins, and many many more Gods. What gives? Surely, the people who were worshipping these Gods believed in them as much if not more than the typical Fundamentalist believes in their God. And, just as likely, they looked down upon the previous Gods. "Oh, yeah, people used to worship Iknock, but that was before we realized that Zeus is the one true God." So, what's the deal, Fundies? I've heard over and over how you can discard a mountain of evidence in favor or your particular flavor of magic, but how can you also discard a mountain of magic in favor of magic. What reason do you have to believe that people with as much, if not more, spiritual evidence in the existence of their Gods are some how wrong? Edited by Nuggin, : No reason given.
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
What question are you asking. The statement in the title is totally different than what is in the body of your OP.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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Phat Member Posts: 18349 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
nuggin writes: Two presuppositions which I disagree with.
So, what's the deal, Fundies? I've heard over and over how you can discard a mountain of evidence in favor or your particular flavor of magic, but how can you also discard a mountain of magic in favor of magic.
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You might want to change the title to reflect the contents of your OP and point of your thread.
I forgot to mention that in the PNT. If you are unable to change it let me know what you want and I'll change it.
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mike the wiz Member Posts: 4755 From: u.k Joined: |
I've just had a thought.
If all atheists burn in hell, and all Christians are atheist, then all Christians burn in hell. - I'm wearing my Bart Simpson trunks for the lake of fire. What are you going as?
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nator Member (Idle past 2199 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: What else is it other than "magic", Phat? In other words, can you explain how is it not magic?
quote: Why do you disagree? Upon what basis?
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mike the wiz Member Posts: 4755 From: u.k Joined: |
What else is it other than "magic", Phat? Transcendant reality.
Why do you disagree? Because it's not evident that God is made-up. That might not be the case. It's just an opinion.
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tudwell Member (Idle past 6008 days) Posts: 172 From: KCMO Joined: |
Nuggin writes: And, just as likely, they looked down upon the previous Gods. "Oh, yeah, people used to worship Iknock, but that was before we realized that Zeus is the one true God." Actually, it's not just as likely. Many polythestic religions accepted the existence of all gods, but worshipped their own pantheon which they regarded as more powerful or more important. I've never bought the argument that Christians (and people of other religions) are atheist to all gods but their own, whereas the atheist just "goes one further" as Dawkins says. Believing in God (any god) is fundamentally different than atheism. The theist, no matter what religion, accepts the supernatural on some level, where the atheist does not. Even people like jar, who are Christians yet almost invariably side with atheists on most issues, accept the supernatural at some level, even if they maintain a high degree of scepticism regarding most claims of the supernatural.
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Nuggin writes: All Fundamental Christians are Atheists in regards to Zeus, Apollo, Thor, Vishnu, Coyote, the Hero Twins, and many many more Gods. The logic goes something like this:
You seem to be incorrectly conflating "No" with "What does He look like?" Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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Neutralmind Member (Idle past 6153 days) Posts: 183 From: Finland Joined: |
So, what's the deal, Fundies? I've heard over and over how you can discard a mountain of evidence in favor or your particular flavor of magic, but how can you also discard a mountain of magic in favor of magic.
Let's turn the question around. How you can discard a mountain of evidence in favor or your particular flavor of non-magic, but how can you also discard a mountain of non-magic in favor of non-magic Let's assume now that the non-magic is all natural things.How can you choose one of many theories of evolution or say, some cosmological theories over another? It's simple. You feel the one you chose answers your questions better than the other. People choose theories over another because they think there is better evidence for it than the other ( assuming they're intellectually honest ). Why should it be different for "magic" ? Edited by Neutralmind, : No reason given.
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nator Member (Idle past 2199 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: What's that?
quote: Do you mean that it is only an opinion that any superstition is made up, or just the one you subscribe to?
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
If GOD exists, then She exists regardless of any evidence that He does not exist.
If GOD does not exist then It does not exist regardless of any evidence She does exist. If GOD exists, the Reality of GOD is as it is regardless of the Gods of any religion. The Christian God, like the Norse Gods or the Greek Gods or the Judaic God or the Muslim God or the Hindu God(s) or the Egyptian Gods or all Gods ever known, are constructs of humans, not the reality "GOD"; Maps not the Territory. They are human attempts to describe that which is beyond description, attempts to understand that which is beyond understanding. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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Nuggin Member (Idle past 2522 days) Posts: 2965 From: Los Angeles, CA USA Joined: |
Two presuppositions which I disagree with. All belief in god(s) is magic. God is a construct of the human mind only and is not our Creator. I'm not saying that the belief in God is magic. The belief is an act of will. I am saying that the belief in God is a belief in magic. In other words belief does not equal magic. God does equal magic. As for the other sentence... Okay, God is not a construct of the Human mind, and is in fact our Creator. Which God? Zeus? Coyote? You didn't specify
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Nuggin Member (Idle past 2522 days) Posts: 2965 From: Los Angeles, CA USA Joined: |
So you think that you could get a fundamentalist to acknowledge that there is some truth to the idea that Thor is a powerful diety and that their God is not the only "one true God"?
Good luck!
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