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Simonsays
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Message 1 of 6 (400529)
05-14-2007 3:27 PM


I've been browsing the "Origin of Life" forum and keep finding references to the "Warm Soup" theory of abiogenesis, but can find no references to Louis Lerman's "Pre-Boom" hypothesis,or mention of the "Bubblesol Cycle"... Why? His proposed theory came out nearly 14 years ago... Has it been discredited in some way, or is it just that no one here has heard of it at all?

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Message 2 of 6 (400530)
05-14-2007 3:55 PM
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05-14-2007 3:27 PM


Can you flesh that post out a bit? Links or library references would be mighty helpful.

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Simonsays
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Message 3 of 6 (400544)
05-14-2007 6:53 PM
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05-14-2007 3:55 PM


Re: Warm Soup/or Hot Soap
I'm new to forum procedures,and do not know how to attach a link, so...I'll do it manually.
"Bubble Genesis of Life" @ Bubble Genesis of Life
This theory allows for multiple dynamic enviorements/interfaces and cyclical production leading to reproductive production.This contrasts sharply with the image cast by the "Warm Soup" theory -stagnant,isolated,random,and noncyclical.
The theory leads rather neatly into a "Catastrophic Creation" process,where the supposedly entirely destuctive bolide events of the early earth could have constructive abiogenic consequences as well.If true this might push back the estimate for lifes beginnings.

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Message 4 of 6 (400549)
05-14-2007 7:27 PM
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05-14-2007 6:53 PM


Re: Warm Soup/or Hot Soap
Ah! I had heard of this idea - but I'm not finding much of anything online and free about it. I don't want to turn loose of $32.00 to get more at the moment, though I'll certainly go look at the Texas Tech library next time I'm there.
http://www.springerlink.com/content/lp80837011613605/
http://www.springerlink.com/content/g3mtl64p9378668q/
both look good, but in the absence of anything equally meaty for us to discuss here, I don't see how I can promote this topic - there would hardly be enough to discuss.

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Simonsays
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Message 5 of 6 (400603)
05-15-2007 3:19 PM
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05-14-2007 7:27 PM


Re: Warm Soup/or Hot Soap
Hi AdminCoragyps,
I checked out the two sites you listed...(I agree that they both looked rather skimpy) However,other than that they both dealt with Aerosols and abiogenesis, I saw no connection to "Louis Lerman",the "PRE_BOOM" hypothesis, or the "Bubblesol Cycle".
I'm not sure what keywords you used in your site search(aerosols?,abiogenesis?), but I apparently had more luck.
Besides the link I gave in message three,(which you did not refer to)here are two more... all of them FREE!
1.) "Natural consequences of the terrestrial bubble-aerosol9bubblesol..."(pdf) @ http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/lpsc2002/pdf/2062.pdf
2.) "DO MARTIAN BLUEBERRIES HAVE PITS ?... ARTIFACTS OF MARTIAN WATER PAST"(pdf) @
http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/earlymars2004/pdf/8063.pdf
There are more sites, but I'm a little pressed for time at the moment.
I hope your lack of successful search hits is not an indicator that you're a graduate of the Michael Behe school of word searching.
While I agree that the articles you cited have little to gnaw on,I don't see how that is the case for a "Soup vs. Soap" debate.

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Message 6 of 6 (400645)
05-15-2007 8:43 PM


Thread copied to the Warm soup/ or Hot Soap thread in the Origin of Life forum, this copy of the thread has been closed.

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