Kingdom on Earth (Re: Barack Obama comments)

I'm sure all three are great candidates. I'm not looking to be reasonable here, but all three have made it clear that they don't care diddly squat about human rights, which I think are not negotiable. I've also been hearing a lot of "god bless" from all of them.Like I said, curse me all you want. I'd rather vote for dumbest than negotiate on certain issues that shouldn't be negotiable. Ok, you've changed my mine. I'm not going to vote next november.

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so you're going to vote for someone else who doesn't respect human rights? i mean, jesus, at least clinton supports a complete ENDA.

Right, so naturally you thought about voting Republican, because of their recent history of consciencious respect for the rights of all humans, especially those detained in the war on terror.I'm not sure what makes you say "diddly squat about human rights." Edwards wasn't even in Congress when the Military Commissions Act came up for a vote. Thank you. No, really.

Aw, come on now... You have to vote. I feel like I should give the obligatory, patriotic message of, get out there and vote. There are decent candidates out there. You just have to look. Believe me, I'm not exactly jazzed by the candidates either, but even if you have to choose a lesser of two evils, at least you'll be doing your part.

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"It is better to shun the bait, than struggle in the snare." -Ravi Zacharias

No, you don't, and if there's a danger that, in the voting booth, you'll vote to "send a message", you probably shouldn't.Think for a second about what Taz is talking about doing. He's so incensed about the idea of politicians ignoring human rights that he's going to lodge a protest vote... for the candidate that has the worse record on human rights.Yeah, that sure "sends a message", all right. If you can't stomach the kind of compromise it takes to participate in democracy, then you probably shouldn't.

Haha, crash, you've convinced me. You have one less ignorant voter to worry about now.Added by edit.PS I stopped believing in democracy about this time last year.Edited by Tazmanius Devilus, : No reason given.

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If for no other reason, Taz will have no right to complain about the next president, should (s)he be as bad as he believes Bush was. I don't think Taz was going to vote for a Republican. Okay, maybe Ron Paul. But Ron Paul is your Jar type Republican, which, in my opinion, is no Republican at all. But in either case, I think he just needs to go to as many websites as he can to get an estimation about who is lobbying for what, and where they stand on an issue.In fact, I think I should just go ahead and do that for everyone.

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I think I got everyone on the card. Tommy Thompson, Republican of Wisconsin, has dropped out of the race. Also, according to Biden's website, Richardson has dropped out of the presidential race to join Biden's team (presumably because he knows that he'll probably lose, and this way he can at least be Vice Pres). But I confirm that as of yet.Edited by Nemesis Juggernaut, : edit to fix html tagsEdited by Nemesis Juggernaut, : Edit to add info

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"It is better to shun the bait, than struggle in the snare." -Ravi Zacharias

thanks for the platform post.

No problem

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Obama is the reason why I may actually vote republican next year

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If you vote republican next year we may not be able to be friends anymore.I'm not kidding.

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I think in general, both conservatives and liberals were taken aback when matters of faith and morals took primacy in 2004.

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Bullshit.The republicans knew exactly what they were doing when they got conservative Christians in a lather about gay marriage in all of the swing states.Oh, and just so you know? I've ALWAYS been a "morals/values voter".So have all of my Liberal friends.

Oddly enough there exists no accrediting or licensing body to enforce the Complaining Laws, or to make sure that complaining is only done by those qualified to do so. So Taz's ability to complain for the next 4 years will hardly be hampered in any way by not voting. I agree. I would rather Taz make an effort to educate himself about the issues, and make reasonable determinations for himself about which of the candidates best represents his views, as opposed to not voting.But sorting through politics isn't everybody's cup of tea. Well done, very thorough. Perhaps too thorough. I don't think Al Gore is running, or will run.Or did I miss something?

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I think in general, both conservatives and liberals were taken aback when matters of faith and morals took primacy in 2004.

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Meeeeeeow! Simmer down Nator. I think you may have misunderstood me. What I was speaking about was that for the average voter in 2004, values turned out being the big issue of that election cycle. Nobody realized that it would have weighed so heavily an outcome. Fantastic... I never said you weren't.

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"It is better to shun the bait, than struggle in the snare." -Ravi Zacharias

Sure, if he doesn't vote he can still complain. But I'm gonna mention the fact that he opted not to vote, thus nullifying his reason for doing so. The reason being, if you don't contribute to getting in a good president, then as far as I'm concerned, you don't have reserve the right to bitch and moan. Yeah, and I seriously doubt that Taz, despite his saying so, would actually vote Republican. Maybe Ron Paul. But Ron Paul is to the Republican party, what Joe Lieberman is to the Democrat Party. No, it certainly isn't. And to be honest, I don't particularly enjoy it either. I've really been slacking in this election cycle. I posted that info as much for myself as I did for everyone else. I need to do some homework too. I'm pretty sure he's been in the race for awhile now. After what happened in 2000, I think he wants back what he felt was entitled to him then. Edited by Nemesis Juggernaut, : edit to and fix typos

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"It is better to shun the bait, than struggle in the snare." -Ravi Zacharias

I'm certain you're wrong about this. He's stated, as plainly as possible on a number of occasions that he has no intention of running for president in 2008.Unless something changed in the past few weeks and I didn't hear about it, but I read political blogs extensively and daily so I think I would know.There's a whole lot of people that want him to run, but he's not yet a candidate for president in 2008 according to any source.