Kingdom on Earth (Re: Barack Obama comments)

You crack me up.Wait...did you get his autograph? What was it like flying on the same plane with a famous Republican Senator??Edited by FliesOnly, : To fix a spelling error

Aren't all answers answered with words? But that still is meaningless to the discussion. The question deals with how we, here in the U.S., address the concept of "gay marriage". To claim, as NJ does, that legalizing gay marriage will lead to all other forms of marriage is a bit ridiculous. Plus...who cares! If some dude wants to marry his sheep, who am I to stop him? If some lady wants to leave all of her money to her 149 cats...what do I care? It's his life and it's her money.Also, you neglected to include the last portion of my quote when you discuss "normal".Who cares what those in Europe think...within the context of THIS discussion.As for that Obama guy...I'm still not decided. I liked him at first...cuz he was atypical. But lately he seems to be adopting the same ole style as every other campaigning Politician. To me, he has lost his individuality and is now just another "one of the guys"...so to speak.

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Assuming you mean informed consent, then I'd say from my interpretation of what that means (not sure what yours is yet), the very straight answer is no. A one year old infant has no understanding beyond its own immediate desires.

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I am specifically referring to the ability to give informed consent to sexual intercourse for the purpose of discussion.Can a five year old child give informed consent to sexual intercourse?

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The problem is that in mid-flight, he starts making these subtle gestures where he is rubbing his finger in a phallic manner. Its obvious enough that he's obviously signaling me, but subtle enough to where if I called him out on it he would just play dumb.

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ROTFLMAO!!!OK, now I know you are a closeted homo.Maybe, Juggs, if you weren't so obsessed with homosexual sex, you wouldn't have noticed the "signal".Why is it that the only people who seem to be able to pick up on all of these subtle gay signals are the homophobic conservative men? The most appropriate Onion article EVAR!Edited by nator, : No reason given.

I can't tell you how many times I've been hit on without knowing it until someone else pointed it out to me.To N_J, just don't pay attention to it. You're a real man, right? Why care? Because of my friendly attitude (and also probably because of the fact that I go to gay bars more often than straight ones) gay guys come onto me all the time. Most of the time I don't even notice them until it's pointed out to me. The ones that I notice I just decline and that's the end of that. Besides, you should take it as a compliment. A friend of mine once said that the same qualities that attract gay guys also attract females.

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Owing to the deficiency of the English language, I have occasionally used the academic jargon generator to produce phrases that even I don't fully understand. The jargons are not meant to offend anyone or to insult anyone's intelligence!

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The point is, I didn't freak out. I didn't ignore him. I didn't treat him like a scourge. But if the conversation would have come up, I would have told him how I felt about homosexuality. And you know what? While he would rather me like homosexuality, I'll bet he we could have left the plane in total civility.

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So, if a woman had been coming on to you, would you have just taken it as a slightly-tacky compliment? Would you have wanted to be congratulated for not freaking out, or treating her like a scourge? Would you have thought to have a converstaion with her about adultery or fornication? Somehow, I don't think so.Why should the fact that it was a man supposedly coming on to you make your reaction any different?It was the "ick factor" and your religious bigotry and nothing else.

Heh. When I was in college, I had some acquaintances who were gay. Whenever we were in a group, I would often end up flirting with them without realizing it.

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Progress in human affairs has come mainly through the bold readiness of human beings not to confine themselves to seeking piecemeal improvements in the way things are done, but to present fundamental challenges in the name of reason to the current way of doing things and to the avowed or hidden assumptions on which it rests. -- E. H. Carr

Boy, I sure am glad you cleared that up...cuz when/if you talk about a sheep, a one year old child, sexual intercourse, and consent, in the same sentence and/or paragraph, I usually am completely incapable of following your train of thought because I have no idea what you could conceivably mean by the use of the word "consent" within the context of those circumstances. But now I understand, thank you oh so much. Well if you provided a written consent form and a crayon to a one year old...and he (or she) scribbles something, then I guess that perhaps NJ might consider that as having given his (or her) consent to sexual intercourse...otherwise I still haven't the foggiest idea why NJ would be so afraid of gay marriage.By the way, the Onion article was friggen hilarious.

you know why? because flirting gets us positive attention and that feels nice, no matter where it's coming from.

Listen up... You say it is immoral to have sex with animals only because they can't give an informed consent. Fine.But let me ask you, do you get their consent when you slaughter them so you can consume their flesh?I didn't think so.Therefore, consent is a slippery slope argument, and it does NOT qualify or disqualify a moral.

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“This life’s dim windows of the soul, distorts the heavens from pole to pole, and goads you to believe a lie, when you see with and not through the eye.” -William Blake

And we also let kids participate in all sorts of activities even though they technically can't give informed consent.

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Progress in human affairs has come mainly through the bold readiness of human beings not to confine themselves to seeking piecemeal improvements in the way things are done, but to present fundamental challenges in the name of reason to the current way of doing things and to the avowed or hidden assumptions on which it rests. -- E. H. Carr

Heh... We need to get back on track. I suppose we could open yet another thread on morality, rehashing over the same arguments.As for Obama being too thin or good looking? It doesn't really matter to me either way. Can he run the country effectively is the clincher for me.

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“This life’s dim windows of the soul, distorts the heavens from pole to pole, and goads you to believe a lie, when you see with and not through the eye.” -William Blake

They can't give informed consent about adult sexual activities, no. Who says they can't give informed consent about whether or not to play soccer, or something?Not being able to give informed consent doesn't mean that they can't do something; it just means that somebody else has to make that decision, for them, in their interest. If there's a legitimate interest for the child in getting raped by an adult, it is incumbent on those who hold that position to describe it. NJ's argument doesn't really assail consent issues, because the inconsistency he describes doesn't exist.

No, not closeted. I'm a human all the time. Or since I'm in the military, you can't ask and I can't tell. I think the obsession is on the other side of the table because some people keep incessantly mentioning it-- especially during threads where it has nothing to do with anything.That's the ad hom against me. Anytime someone disagrees with NJ, just revert to calling him a homophobe. If you were there, you would have been able to pick up on it. My daughters after school teacher inappropriately hits on me too. As much as it might be a compliment if I were single, I find it very disrespectful towards my wife knowing that I am married.And that goes for either homosexual men or heterosexual women equally. If you you don't know that I'm married, then I wouldn't take flirtation in that way. But knowing that I am seems very disrespectful to me.In any case, I only mentioned it because calling me homophobic is hilarious. And then calling me a homo to boot is just as hilarious.I guess your guys plan at making me angry, like always, backfired again.

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“This life’s dim windows of the soul, distorts the heavens from pole to pole, and goads you to believe a lie, when you see with and not through the eye.” -William Blake