Kingdom on Earth (Re: Barack Obama comments)

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I think you misunderstand me. I'm not referring to the way they talk. I'm not referring to ebonics or whatever it is they are calling it now. I'm referring to the accent they have. They still speak in complete sentences. It's the way they make the sounds of the words that I am referring to.

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No, I get it.And I'm telling you that I have heard white and hispanic kids speak just like that.I think of it as speaking in an lower-class "urban" manner.Again, I know what you mean. People speak like the people around them in order to fit in with the groups they want to fit in to. In mixed lower class areas of cities, the kids sound a lot alike.

In mixed upper class areas of cities, the kids sound a lot alike.Unless they are Valley Girls of course.

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Immigration has been a problem Since 1607!

So the polls forced Romney to make his speech, since evangelicals tend to see Mormonism as a cult rather than a legitimate branch of Christianity.Who can blame them? I mean, talking to angels, taking receipt of miraculously delivered tablets of divine instruction, receiving God's permission to sexually exploit young women...What could be more cultish than that?Oh. Wait.Edited by Omnivorous, : Finally fix subtitle, peech for peach

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In mixed upper class areas of cities, the kids sound a lot alike.

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Right.

I'm not going to defend Huckabee's idiocy regarding the nature of HIV, or how research into it should be funded. However, he is correct that this is the only (or at most one of the few) communicable diseases that has been treated as a civil right, rather than as a disease.The fear of what bigots would do with the information, has superceded the reality that at the very least IDENTIFYING carriers is the most important thing we should be doing.I think quarantine at its outset might have been plausible, but it isn't anymore. At least not in a strict sense of quarantine. Identification and tracking (general, not realtime monitoring) of carriers of that virus is vital to containment of the disease, not to mention actually helping the people afflicted.But of course not identifying the carriers, allows moralists (religious or otherwise) to blame sex and drug use as the cause, and prohibit their free use. Edited by Silent H, : research into

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What disturbed me about Mitt's speech was that he came so close to drawing a line of inclusion for all people of faith, and could not see that the logical -- if not the historical precedent and actual language of the founders -- would be one step further.He could actually say with a straight face that it should not matter what faith you have as long as you have the important values ... and then said that anti-secularist junk typical of the fundy fanatic.He could have quoted the ConstitutionHe could have quoted the Bill of RightsHe could have quoted the bit about "render unto Caesar"And he could have talked a LOT more about the necessary independence of government from beliefIt was an opportunity to show leadership (a quality that should be important eh?)Sad.Edited by RAZD, : .

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Really.Please provide:1. Information re: the state "publicly branding" carriers of a communicable disease (within last 50 years in the United States).Note: A single example (Andrew Speaker and MDR-TB) is not sufficient.2. Information re: the state identifying and tracking carriers of a communicable disease (within last 50 years in the United States).Note: Epidemiological tracking is not sufficient. That is at the community level. I mean at the individual level.3. A definition of "civil rights" and how this relates to medical privacy.I will start a new thread where you can post your answer.

I hope I catch you before you start that thread.I never said anything about "public branding", nor did I say anything about the STATE identifying and tracking carriers (though there could be a component of that in some instances). So your first two questions have nothing to do with my stated position.The only relevant question is the relationship between civil rights and medical privacy. However I'm not sure if you are asking what the current legal standing is, or what I think it should be regarding communicable diseases?My statement regarding fear of what bigots would do with the information (so as to effect policy) seems to be adequately reflected in your hyperbolic questions. As it happens I was referring to a discussion by Koop regarding what had gone on at the time AIDs was becoming a serious medical issue, and his attempts to deal with the Reagan administration.I think he made a huge mistake, worrying about possible public interference in private lives, rather than the very real consequences of a pandemic going unchecked.If you want to start a new thread, base questions on my stated position, and clarify what you want to know. In such a thread I would be interested in you explaining how a communicable disease is not best contained by identifying the carriers.

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Moved post to more appropriate thread.Edited by Nemesis Juggernaut, : No reason given.

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People are calling this his "Kennedy" speech, but that's all wrong.The problem with that comparison is that Kennedy's speech was about how he was a Catholic, but that it didn't matter when it came to being President.Romney's speech was all about his being a Mormon and why that really mattered a lot to him being President.

I don't see how a son of a Muslim father trained 3 years in a Wahhabi funded Indonesian Muslim school could go that long as a child in that school without having professed Islam as his religion. If this be the case, the mystery is how he evaded all the flack and persecution Islamics get if they decide to denounce Islam and change religions.Furthermore, it is highly mysterious as to why Muslim leaders who are apprised of this around the world and especially in America are so silent and passive about this.Btw, back in my message here back when it didn't appear that Obama had a prayer I said this:

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I saw it more as a "don't worry, I'm just as much of a religious bigot as you are" and "religious institutions should control an individual" speech.As opposed to Kennedy saying "religious bigotry should not be a part of deciding who is president" and "religious institutions should NOT control an individual" speech.Of course it could just be my bias ... Enjoy.

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So, why would it be bad to have a Muslim president, Buzsaw? That seems to be what you are implying.You wouldn't be implying that all Muslims, to a person, are somehow not to be trusted?You don't have a problem, apparently, with all of the demonstrably untrustwothy Christians in high office who have lied, cheated, stolen, and broken the law in countless ways over the years.I don't hear you saying that we need to be suspicious of the Christian upbringing of any potential presidential candidate.You wouldn't be quite that baldly bigoted, would you?

Is it possible that you just don't know a damn thing about Islam? That would clear up a lot of mysteries here.Edited by Chiroptera, : Added last sentence.Edited by Chiroptera, : Saw another "mystery" in Buz's post. No kidding, this really is funny.

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People break with Catholicism and Judaism all the time right?

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"Civilized men are more discourteous than savages because they know they can be impolite without having their skulls split, as a general thing." - Robert E. Howard