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Message 3 of 14 (475521)
07-16-2008 2:25 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Syamsu
07-16-2008 10:53 AM


Your topic proposal reads like nonsense. Edit your proposal into understandable prose and take the fullest possible advantage of standard terminology. Things to avoid:
  • Making up your own definition of the scientific process.
  • Making up your own definition of the creationist scientific process.
  • Using nonsensical phrases like "the future is in the past", "the past consists of a single decision", etc.
  • Mentioning obscure theories (anticipation theory) in passing without elaboration.
Please post a note when you're done.
I'm not trying to waste your time. If my request isn't reasonable for you then we can just close this.

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Message 5 of 14 (475650)
07-17-2008 8:39 AM
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07-16-2008 4:13 PM


If you're willing to continue making edits then I'll be glad to keep giving you feedback. Let's first focus on paragraph 1:
Symansu writes:
In mainstream science what you do, is to try to find the initial conditions from where it's 100 percent likely someting would be, finding efficient causes along the way.
Since you're trying to describe mainstream science, you really want to describe it in a way that is recognizably mainstream science. Try giving the Wikipedia article on Science a read and see if that helps you improve your first paragraph so that it actually describes a summary view of mainstream science. There's a section on the scientific method.

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Message 8 of 14 (475761)
07-18-2008 6:46 AM
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07-17-2008 10:02 AM


Hi Syamsu,
I'm not here to engage in a back and forth. I'm just providing feedback about what it would take for me to promote your topic proposal.
If all you're trying to say about mainstream science is that it is based upon the assumption that effects have causes, then say so. Read your opening paragraph again and you'll see that that's not what you say. You instead say that mainstream science is about finding initial conditions and efficient causes, and you mention "100 percent likely" when science is tentative.

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Message 10 of 14 (475854)
07-19-2008 7:17 AM
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07-18-2008 4:43 PM


Re: In comparison: creation science and mainstream science
Hi Syamsu,
It doesn't look like we're making any progress, let's try something different. In the first paragraph, instead of calling it "mainstream science" why don't you call it "my view of the scientific method"?

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Message 12 of 14 (475925)
07-19-2008 7:55 PM
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07-19-2008 9:12 AM


Re: In comparison: creation science and mainstream science
Okay, great.
Your opening post has grown longer with each change, and it is now very long. I originally thought we could work through a series of small changes that would leave me feeling comfortable promoting your topic proposal, but what looks to me as nonsense is being added faster than you're fixing it. Given that you keep increasing the legnth I don't think this exercise is going to work. The best I can offer you is to release your proposal to [forum=-15].

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Message 14 of 14 (475961)
07-20-2008 7:15 AM


Thread copied to the Creationist scientific methods thread in the Free For All forum, this copy of the thread has been closed.

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