Register | Sign In


Understanding through Discussion


EvC Forum active members: 59 (9164 total)
4 online now:
Newest Member: ChatGPT
Post Volume: Total: 916,923 Year: 4,180/9,624 Month: 1,051/974 Week: 10/368 Day: 10/11 Hour: 1/2


Thread  Details

Email This Thread
Newer Topic | Older Topic
  
Author Topic:   Bible/Religious Education in America
slevesque
Member (Idle past 4671 days)
Posts: 1456
Joined: 05-14-2009


Message 24 of 48 (524049)
09-14-2009 9:23 AM
Reply to: Message 17 by Phage0070
09-14-2009 4:07 AM


Ever seen anyone use the scientific method in Mathematics ?
I totally understand Modulus on this. Although mathematics is referred to as science, it is somehow very different from the rest of science and I would preferably never refer to it as science.
For example, you can never prove anything in science, but Mathematics is all about makings proofs.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 17 by Phage0070, posted 09-14-2009 4:07 AM Phage0070 has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 26 by Phage0070, posted 09-14-2009 12:23 PM slevesque has replied

  
slevesque
Member (Idle past 4671 days)
Posts: 1456
Joined: 05-14-2009


Message 33 of 48 (524164)
09-14-2009 5:00 PM
Reply to: Message 26 by Phage0070
09-14-2009 12:23 PM


With all due respect, I'm studying mathematics in university, and It is all about starting with axioms and proving theorems, there is not scientific method involved in this.
It assigned as science, but in the sense modulous was trying to convey, it was not to be included in my opinion.
Edited by slevesque, : No reason given.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 26 by Phage0070, posted 09-14-2009 12:23 PM Phage0070 has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 34 by Phage0070, posted 09-14-2009 5:07 PM slevesque has replied

  
slevesque
Member (Idle past 4671 days)
Posts: 1456
Joined: 05-14-2009


Message 36 of 48 (524169)
09-14-2009 5:17 PM
Reply to: Message 34 by Phage0070
09-14-2009 5:07 PM


Ok, say I'm an ancient greek and want to develop a new field of mathematics: irrational numbers. How would I apply the scientific method to 'start off' this new field ?
How can I ever observe the square root of 2 in nature ?
How about imaginary numbers, such as i ?
Or how do I 'observe' the periodicity of a number ?
or that 0,9999 ... = 1 ?
or that A x B = B x A ?
Edited by slevesque, : No reason given.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 34 by Phage0070, posted 09-14-2009 5:07 PM Phage0070 has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 37 by Phage0070, posted 09-14-2009 5:54 PM slevesque has replied
 Message 43 by Coragyps, posted 09-14-2009 7:31 PM slevesque has replied
 Message 46 by Tanndarr, posted 09-14-2009 8:13 PM slevesque has replied

  
slevesque
Member (Idle past 4671 days)
Posts: 1456
Joined: 05-14-2009


Message 40 of 48 (524182)
09-14-2009 6:01 PM
Reply to: Message 37 by Phage0070
09-14-2009 5:54 PM


A proven mathematical theorem will not always be represented in reality. Does it mean it is not proven ? Of course not.
The proof of a theorem is done outside the realm of the scientific method.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 37 by Phage0070, posted 09-14-2009 5:54 PM Phage0070 has not replied

  
slevesque
Member (Idle past 4671 days)
Posts: 1456
Joined: 05-14-2009


Message 44 of 48 (524197)
09-14-2009 7:46 PM
Reply to: Message 43 by Coragyps
09-14-2009 7:31 PM


How interesting, and how would you measure the diagonal of a square ?
Any sort of measuring you would do would result in a finite number, and this would never be but an approximation of the actual number, however precise you would be. Therefore, this in no way would be an observation of the square root of two.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 43 by Coragyps, posted 09-14-2009 7:31 PM Coragyps has not replied

  
slevesque
Member (Idle past 4671 days)
Posts: 1456
Joined: 05-14-2009


Message 47 of 48 (524206)
09-14-2009 9:32 PM
Reply to: Message 46 by Tanndarr
09-14-2009 8:13 PM


Yeah, I just saw Hipassus' proof in my math class about a week ago. (although I didn't know it had a name)

This message is a reply to:
 Message 46 by Tanndarr, posted 09-14-2009 8:13 PM Tanndarr has not replied

  
Newer Topic | Older Topic
Jump to:


Copyright 2001-2023 by EvC Forum, All Rights Reserved

™ Version 4.2
Innovative software from Qwixotic © 2024