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purpledawn
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Message 104 of 106 (560284)
05-14-2010 4:57 AM
Reply to: Message 103 by Peg
05-13-2010 8:52 PM


Re: Understanding the Difference
You're still throwing out chaff and haven't answered my question.
Do you understand the difference between discerning which definition to use of a word with multiple meanings and understanding a symbolic or idiomatic use of the word?
The former is determined by the use of the word in the sentence and the latter needs historical background to understand plus the use of the word in the sentence.
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right, so God will only be dealing with one specific nation of people. Ok well so much for Jesus direction to spread christianity around the whole earth to people of all nations and so much for Gods promise that people of ALL nations will benefit from Abrahams seed.
I told you not to flip on me. Message 90
Peg writes:
Message 89
Remember that 'ge' means 'land/earth/soil' It doesnt mean planet as you keep repeating. I agree with that.
I knew you would flip when it suited your purpose. The words translated as world and earth do not imply planet wide or all humanity. Even the symbolism we discovered does not imply planet wide or all humanity.
Genesis 18:18
For Abraham will certainly become a great and mighty nation, and all the nations of the earth will be blessed through him.
Erets does not encompass the planet. All the nations of the earth refers to all the nations of the land. It is a limited scope.
Mark 16:15
He said to them, "Go into all the world and preach the good news to all creation."
Same with kosmos. It doesn't encompass the planet. It usually refers to the Roman Empire.
If you disagree with that, you need to go to the appropriate thread. Not The Planet
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You just cant change the theme of the bible to suit your idea of how you want to read the text and what rules of grammar you want to apply.
I haven't changed the theme of the writings in the Bible. It says what it says. Looking at what the writers were really saying may conflict with doctrinal themes, but there isn't much I can do about that.
If you can't be trusted to follow standard rules of grammar and language, how can anyone trust the message you present?
Luke 16:10-12
"Whoever can be trusted with very little can also be trusted with much, and whoever is dishonest with very little will also be dishonest with much. So if you have not been trustworthy in handling worldly wealth, who will trust you with true riches? And if you have not been trustworthy with someone else's property, who will give you property of your own?"

Scripture is like Newton’s third law of motionfor every action there is an equal and opposite reaction.
In other words, for every biblical directive that exists, there is another scriptural mandate challenging it.
-- Carlene Cross in The Bible and Newton’s Third Law of Motion

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purpledawn
Member (Idle past 3488 days)
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From: Indiana
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Message 106 of 106 (560296)
05-14-2010 7:32 AM
Reply to: Message 105 by Peg
05-14-2010 6:16 AM


Semantics
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yes i do, but you dont.
Unfortunately, you've shown that you don't and are unable to see that you don't or won't understand when it comes to the Bible writings or passages that conflict with your belief system.
In Message 17, you jumped from yom to zume which was used as a symbol and continued with the symbols.
For all your squawking that Hebrew is different than English, you haven't been able to show us the indicators in the Hebrew language that tell us that yom is to be used figuratively. I provided an article in Message 14 that did address the indicators in Hebrew and you avoided the issue and moved on to symbolism.
Now you've dragged yom out again in another thread and yet you still haven't shown the indicators in the sentence. Same tired argument with no support. It's getting old. Seriously address what I presented in Message 14.
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the entire bible must be looked at to understand what someone is saying...you cant ignore everyone else in favor of semantics
Without semantics, you can't understand what is being said or symbolized. Without meaning words are useless gobbledygook.
Jabberwocky
'Twas brillig, and the slithy toves
Did gyre and gimble in the wabe
All mimsy were the borogoves
And the mome raths outgrabe.
Creating your own meaning doesn't show respect for God, the writers, or your audience.
So instead of bogging down yet another thread with yom, please show the indicators in the sentence (Hebrew or English) that tell us to use one of the figurative meanings of the Lexicon for yom in Genesis 1:5. No more chaff.

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