market liberals mis identify themselves as conservative.
ok, but do you imply it is on purpose?
If you want to equate tribalism with socialism, I suppose that works, though it is also very participatory democracy. The major thing is that the well being of the group and of future generations is much more important than individual gratification.
You are really good at providing reference, though it seems you just want me to take your word on this. I really think you have Collectivism confused with Tribalism. If the Well being of the group and future generations was extremely important rather than the now, then why are many tribalistic groups so concerned with violence and war with thier neighbors? Why do they kill each other at alarming rates, including the children of neighbooring tribes? A great example of this is the
Huaorani of Ecuador. I think it is tribalism with the mentality of in our group is people, and outsiders are inferior and less than "the people" (Us). If they cared so much about "the group" and "the future generations" then they would most likely be less inclinded to destroy each other over picking fruit, or hunting ungulates. Genocide is the product of tribalism, and the ethnocentric behavior associated with tribalism.
I would like market liberals to be so labeled and the term conservative to be used for those peoples I've mentioned who do not advocate rampant individualism and exploitation of the environment and other countries and peoples.
The problem is that you have mentioned very few peoples that fit the bill. The Amish may, though they are civilized, and not all that different from other rural farming americans, except for thier faith and their lack of the use of technology. I think you would be hard pressed to find a tribal society that is not for the exploitation of other peoples.
But I can't stand the lies and hypocrisies that market liberals and liberals engage in to sugar coat their brutal exploitation of the poor and indigenous peoples of the world.
I am not sure they are always lying, I think they believe they are conservative. as you go on to say "
If people knew what conservatism really was they could make informed choices."
We don't see the Amish and Mennonite or Native Americans advocating war and running scams to get rich.
The Amish already are rich, they are quite the shrewd capitalists, with thier hand made furniture, and crafts, in addition to all the land they own. I do not know much about the Mennonite. Yeah the whole Native American Casinos thing I'm sure had nothing to do with getting rich [SARCASM]. And if I remeber my history correctly Native Americans where more than happy to fight in the French and Indian War, the Revolutionary War, and the Civil War. Oh yeah wasn't that a Native American (Ira Hayes) in the Iconic WWII picture of raising the Flag at Iwo Jima? I hope you just do not know these things rather than being dishonest yourself about them.
I don't know what you mean by "imperialist is way off." What is Manifest Destiny? The wars against the Native Americans, Spain, Mexico, on and on, gun boat diplomacy? If that isn't imperialism what is?
we were talking about two different things, I realize that now.
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