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Tram law Member (Idle past 4735 days) Posts: 283 From: Weed, California, USA Joined: |
Is there a difference between being ethical and being moral?
My friend just recently said he believes the difference between an ethical man and a moral man is that an ethical man will know an action might be wrong but still might do it anyway, but a moral man will not do the action if he believes it is wrong. Here's an example: adultery. An ethical man would know adultery is wrong, but would go ahead and cheat on his wife anyway because there are just some things that are just too good to pass up. A moral man would not cheat on his wife even though he might want to, because he believes it's wrong to do so. So what do you think, is this correct? Is there really a difference between morality and ethics or are they actually one and the same?
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Adminnemooseus Administrator Posts: 3976 Joined: |
Thread copied here from the The Difference Between Ethical And Moral? thread in the Proposed New Topics forum.
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nwr Member Posts: 6412 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 5.3 |
One term comes from greek, and the other from latin.
One is more closely tied to philosophy, and the other to religion. Apart from that, they are similar.
An ethical man would know adultery is wrong, but would go ahead and cheat on his wife anyway because there are just some things that are just too good to pass up.
That reasoning seems wrong to me. An ethical man might choose against adultery, because his ethics cause him to respect his wife. A moral man might choose against adultery because his priest says so. However, I think even that is a bit of a simplistic distinction.
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seanfhear Junior Member (Idle past 4623 days) Posts: 23 From: California Joined: |
Correction. A MORAL man might know adultery is wrong. The same ETHICAL man questions the outcome of his moral or immoral behavior presumably before being engaged in the behavior. The MORAL man then behaves according to the standards set by the group or culture he associates himself with.
This suggests that the man’s thoughts may be immoral or amoral but the resulting action or inaction may be consistant with the prevailing moral code. The question is: Should you give equal weight to the man’s thoughts and to his actions to determine weather he is a moral man or not? Was his reasoning ethical? Immorality is the active opposition to morality, while amorality is variously defined as an unawareness of, indifference toward, or disbelief in any set of moral standards or principles. "Anyone who has the power to make you believe absurdities has the power to make you commit injustices." Voltaire
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Off the top of my head, I'd say that one difference between ethics and morality is that morality is individual while ethics tend to be collective. For example, a medical association might have a code of ethics for its members but an individual member might have moral objections to performing abortions even if it was allowed by the group ethics. An ethical code is policed by a group of people and violations may result in expulsion from the group. A personal moral code is policed only by one's conscience or (where applicable) by one's God.
Of course, that isn't the only sense in which the words are used but it's a distinction that I find useful. "It appears that many of you turn to Hebrew to escape the English...." -- Joseppi
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 315 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
I don't think that that's how the words are used (which is what they mean).
If your friend said to a hundred people "John Smith is ethical but not moral" would even one of them know what he meant? Now if he said "John Smith is immoral but not amoral" then this would actually describe the position of the man who "would know adultery is wrong, but would go ahead and cheat on his wife anyway". "Ethical" doesn't cut it. For example Collin's dictionary defines it as "in accordance with principles of conduct that are considered correct". How would that cover adultery?
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Minnemooseus Member Posts: 3945 From: Duluth, Minnesota, U.S. (West end of Lake Superior) Joined: Member Rating: 10.0 |
I'm not going to cite specifics, but consider some of the actions that led to the current economic problems.
In business, I would consider legality and ethical to be largely but certainly not absolutely equivalent. But many of the recent high finance actions, while legal and thus at least sort of ethical, were certainly acts of gross greed and disregard of the larger implications, and thus were immoral acts. Moose Edited by Minnemooseus, : Fix an "an" into an "and". Need to proofread more carefully when I preview. Upon further preview, also changed "lead" to "led" in first sentence
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seanfhear Junior Member (Idle past 4623 days) Posts: 23 From: California Joined: |
Could you use the terms interchangeably? Example: A man’s ethics determines whether he makes moral decisions. A man’s morality determines whether he makes ethical decisions.
"Anyone who has the power to make you believe absurdities has the power to make you commit injustices." Voltaire
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
One word has seven letters and the other only five.
"I will never use the word metropolis when I get paid the same for city." for extra points, the source of that quotation. Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 315 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
I have tended to use the two terms interchangeably. (In fact I was doing so just yesterday.)
The only real difference is that "morality" has slightly more of a religious connotation. But only slightly, there's not much in it. To demonstrate this, here's some hit numbers from Google: "Catholic morality": 45,800"Catholic ethics": 20,900 "Humanist morality": 8,300 "Humanist ethics": 11,500 The distinction, then, is not absolute. One thing seems certain: when Catholics or humanists write about Catholic ethics or humanist ethics respectively, they are not using the word "ethics" to mean "those principles which we acknowledge in principle but ignore in practice".
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nwr Member Posts: 6412 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 5.3 |
seanfhear writes:
We don't normally talk about it that way.Could you use the terms interchangeably? Example: A man’s ethics determines whether he makes moral decisions. A man’s morality determines whether he makes ethical decisions. If I heard that famous scientist was unethical, I would be wondering if he had fudged his data, while if I heard that he was immoral, I would wonder who he had been sleeping with.
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seanfhear Junior Member (Idle past 4623 days) Posts: 23 From: California Joined: |
jar writes: One word has seven letters and the other only five."I will never use the word metropolis when I get paid the same for city." for extra points, the source of that quotation. Mark Twain? "Anyone who has the power to make you believe absurdities has the power to make you commit injustices." Voltaire
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Extra points
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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seanfhear Junior Member (Idle past 4623 days) Posts: 23 From: California Joined: |
nwr writes:
Good point. Would you say usage depends on context then or is there more to it? We don't normally talk about it that way.If I heard that famous scientist was unethical, I would be wondering if he had fudged his data, while if I heard that he was immoral, I would wonder who he had been sleeping with. "Anyone who has the power to make you believe absurdities has the power to make you commit injustices." Voltaire
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 315 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
If I heard that famous scientist was unethical, I would be wondering if he had fudged his data, while if I heard that he was immoral, I would wonder who he had been sleeping with. True, but that's a matter of connotation. If I told you that he was a "very ethical person" you would not take that merely as a tribute to the integrity of his data, would you? You'd take that to include not committing adultery. But you are right, in those circumstances "unethical" is more likely to suggest a professional lapse, because the codes of conduct specific to a profession are almost always called ethics and not morals. Professional ethics: 1,550,000 Google hits.Professional morality: 19,300 Google hits. Professional morals: 7,910 Google hits. That's a big ratio. --- We may note again that, pace Tram law's friend, a professional code of ethics does not consist of those moral strictures that that profession ignores. Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.
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