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Silent H Member (Idle past 5849 days) Posts: 7405 From: satellite of love Joined: |
Sorry I'm late in answering. Rrhain has pretty much beat me to the punch, but I'll see what I can do...
flamingo writes: I'm not so certain how true this claim is when we look at religious doctrine etc though. Perhaps you could show me a couple examples? Essentially the whole "guy dies for you, and you can cleanse yourself of sins through him" was TIRED AND USED... even at that time. Symbolic acts such as communion (for certain its idea of eating his flesh and blood) and baptism to some degree were ripped from Dionysus/mythra/etc etc. While Jesus himself might have been a real man--- who knows for sure--- the myths of past pagan dieties were without question transferred to his life story. A Roman writer questioned why anyone wanted to be a Xtian at the time since it was so obviously a religion which had stolen its mythology from earlier pagan gods.
flamingo writes: The OT provides some great guidelines for living, but we shouldn't live a life of simply fulfilling laws. While many might agree with you, most laws are considered sacred despite the acts of Jesus. This is extra true when it comes to oppressing some class of individuals. The last Xtians to take your logic to its conclusion were the anabaptists and they were removed from existence by other Protestant denominations. ------------------holmes
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Obi-Dan Pironi Inactive Junior Member |
Unless I am mistaken I have seen no mention of another myth where the woman is used as a scapegoat for causing all of the troubles in the world. I speak of the Greek myth of "Pandora's Box." Similar to the Biblical account, the first woman is tempted by some object and cannot resist experiencing its innards resulting in the release of every mality in existence: death, disease, sadness, hatered... you name it.
Also, where does the notion that women have no inclination for sexual intercourse come from? Is it a manifestation of 2000 years of oppression?
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nator Member (Idle past 2199 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Yes, it's the ultimate guilt trip and punishment for curious woman seeking knowledge.
quote: I think it comes from a desire to control women's sexuality for paternity purposed. (For much of recorded history, women were considered the more sexual, passionate gender who were to be feared by men, lest they tempt them away from more proper things)
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Obi-Dan Pironi Inactive Junior Member |
quote: What can be more proper than taking part in the propagation of the species? It only requires 2 minutes on the part of the male!
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nator Member (Idle past 2199 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Yes, intercourse is a necessary evil, it's true. The Puritans had a deep and disturbing influence upon the American attitudes about sex. ...not to mention the Catholics and Orthodox Jews, too. Seriously, I also think that sexuality in females was squelched because virginity at marriage and faithfulness during marriage was so crucial to a woman's perceived value as a commodity. If you teach the females that sex is dirty and is something that is submitted to in marriage out of duty, then they are not likely to stray, and the virginal, child-like nature of the female is preserved. It is also true that women had the risk of a pregnancy, where men did not. Look at poor Hester Pryne.
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Rrhain Member Posts: 6351 From: San Diego, CA, USA Joined: |
Pringlesguy7 responds to me:
quote: Not at all. What do you expect a powerful institution like Christianity to do? Retain the Jewish calendar? Our society is the descendant of that cultural hegemony and we should not be surprised that we have remnants of their thinking in our everyday lives. Why are the days of the week named after Roman and Norwegian gods? Let's see...: Sun-dayMoon-day Tyr's-day Woden's-day Thor's-day Frey's-day Saturn's-day But that's English. Many of the Romance languages tend to stick to Roman: Lunes/Lundi, Moon-dayMartes/Mardi, Mars-day Miercoles/Mercredi, Mercury-day Jueves/Jeudi, Jove-day Viernes/Vendredi, Venus-day They only come back to more general religion for Saturday, Sabado/Samedi, Sabbath, and Sunday, Domingo/Dimanche, god. Now, why does our 7-day week end on Saturday rather than Sunday? That's a Jewish holdover. Interestingly, Russian and Portuguese number the days, starting on Monday leaving Sunday the the end of the week.
quote: Because people have been using those terms for literally hundreds of years. What on earth would motivate people to change?
quote: And what would saying that Jesus is 100% fictional be? ------------------Rrhain WWJD? JWRTFM!
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Obi-Dan Pironi Inactive Junior Member |
On top of that, we can look at how the month's names follow wonderful logic. I'll just look at our last four months.
September - SevenOctober - Eight November - Nine December - Ten Besides their obvious naming convention, the months' position in the year is given by number, but we all know September is the 9th month. From what I know this is the grand work of a pair of egotistical Roman Emperor's, Julius Cesar, and Cesar Agustus for inserting July and August into the year and pushing the other months forward by two and not changing their names. Perhaps someone can add to this, and give some of the significance to the other months' names. As far as I know they are all 'Pagan.'
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Cthulhu Member (Idle past 5882 days) Posts: 273 From: Roe Dyelin Joined: |
January comes from the Roman god Janus.
February is one that I don't know the origin March comes from the Roman god Mars April-? May-? June-? ------------------Ia! Cthulhu fhtagn!
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Rei Member (Idle past 7043 days) Posts: 1546 From: Iowa City, IA Joined: |
Month origins (sources aren't all constant, but these are "best guesses"):
January (modern) -> Januarie (middle english) -> Januarius (latin): "of Janus": Roman god of gates and doorways February (modern)->Februarius (middle english and latin): "of Februa": Roman festival of purification, Feb. 15th March (modern) -> March(e) (middle english and anglo-french) -> Martius (old english and latin): "of Mars": Roman god of war April (modern) -> April(is) (old english) -> Aprilis (latin) -> Apru (etruscan) -> Aphro (Greek): short for Aphrodite: Greek Goddess of love and beauty. May (modern) -> Mai (old french), Maius (old English and latin): "Of Maia": The Italic goddess of spring, daughter of Faunus, and wife of Vulcan. June (modern) -> Jun(e) (middle english) -> Juin (old french), Junius (old english and latin): "of Juno": Queen of the gods, wife and sister of Zeus. July (modern) -> Julie (middle english) -> Julius (latin): Julius Caesar. Formerly "quintilis mensis" (fifth month). August (modern and latin): Augustus Caesar. Formerly "sextilis mensis" (sixth month). September (modern) -> Septembre (middle english) -> September (latin): Seventh month (septem="seven", -ber=adjective suffix) October (modern) -> Octobre (middle english) -> October (latin): Eighth month (octem="eight", -ber=adjective suffix) November (modern) -> Novembre (middle english and old french) -> November (latin): Ninth month (novem="nine", -ber=adjective suffix) December (modern) -> Decembre (middle english and old french) -> December (latin): 10th month (decem="ten", -ber=adjective suffix) Most of the Latin forms had the word "mensis" after it - i.e., Februarius mensis = "Month of Februa". Also, the months have varied in length throughout history, especually February. One month, Intercalarius (which was between February and March) was abolished by Julius Caesar. The numbered-month system is actually fairly common for concepts that haven't been around that long, on a historical scale. If you look at the Japanese date system, for example, to say "January 1st, 2001", you would say "Nisenichitoshii ichigetsu ichijitsu" (literally 2001-year 1-moon 1-sun). Their days of the week are things like getsuyobi (moon-weekday = Monday), kayobi (fire-weekday = Tuesday), suiyobi (water-weekday = Wednesday), etc. ------------------"Illuminant light, illuminate me."
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