Dog piling

I vote no on restricting dog piling.I only wish that the pack would stop imposing their science on the creationist minority.The pack I led by the pack leader/s gets to dictate what science is and is not.The pack gets to dictate what is evidence and what is not. I read over and over, "Buzsaw, how many times have you been told......?" Translation: How many times have you been told from the pack's hypothetical perspective?The pack rejects any evidence implying the existence in the Universe of a higher intelligence. To do so shoots down their secularistic hypothetical perspective, rendering them, perhaps accountable to a higher power.The pack rejects any hypothetical perspective supportive to the Biblical record as non-evidential.Case in point: THE EXODUS THREAD where not one of my acclaimed evidences were considered evidence by the pack.CASE IN POINT: Message 252 after which I got ousted from science forums.

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Zen, my position has never been that the rain or flood skewed the dating. It has always been that the implications of the make-up of the pre-flood planet and atmosphere would be the reason for skewing the conclusions reached via research methodology of conventional science.

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Yet the pack considers the Singularity event, having no space into which have happened, no time in which to have happened and no outside of into which to expand, as evidence based.The pack awards the notion of Multi verses the Singularity events the status of theory, applying abstract methodoloy which defies logic.To the best of my recollection, the pack has never addreassed the above to any extent.After 30 or so pages of debating the pack as to what property of space makes it curve, the pack's consensus amounted to something like, the property of space that makes it curve is that space curves.The first ever EvC Great debate was when the pack's Pack Man Jar was to debate me, Buzsaw on the 3LoTs, whether my hypothetical creationist perspective satisfied the LoTsThere was to be two judges to judge the debate. Pack Man Jar boasted that he'd trounce the creationist man in a couple of messages. I was to compose the OP. The rest is history, Pack Man Jar calling it quits on page two. As for the judging, nary a peep. Consensus: Pack Man Jar did poorly.It wasn't long after that debate that the minority winner having no suspensions received the first permanent banning.It wasn't long after I debated the pack on the property of space to curve that I was again permanently banned, still having no suspensions on my record. I'm not claiming to have won that debate. My claim is that my counterparts didn't win it either. Thus the length of it.I've said all of the above to say that all we creationist minority members need is the for the pack to allow us to debate from the creationist hypothetical perspective, relative to science and evidence.I'm not asking anyone to accept anything relating to the creationist perspective as to whether it's evidence or not. All we ask of the pack is to allow us to air our POV, debating from our hypothetical perspective relative to evidence and science. Lennart Moller, renowned marine biologist claims to have photographed corral shaped forms citing numerous corroborative acclaims to evidence. From the perspective of many creationists, scientist Moller has cited evidence from scientific research. Counterparts argue that none of it is considered evidence, ordering Buzsaw to produce what is considered by the pack as evidence or leave off debating the topic,Imo, that's not just a dog pile. That's a pack of coyotes bringing down the deer, when about all one Coyote Hi, Coyote could manage would be to bloody up the deer's heel. Edited by Buzsaw, : Fix sizeEdited by Buzsaw, : restore accidently deleted word, Edited by Buzsaw, : fix word in last paragraph

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.

I have a message responding to points PaulK posted, opining his position which I plan to prepare for posting this evening. Off to a am important appointment presently. . Edited by Buzsaw, : No reason given.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
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PaulK I only wish that the pack would stop imposing their science on the creationist minority.
The pack I led by the pack leader/s gets to dictate what science is and is not, whose science is allowed for debate and whose is not.

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So you want people to stop telling the truth and pretend that crap that you just made up is real science.

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What is truth, Paul? Truth is relative to whose perspective truth is deemed credible. By all means, keep on telling your perspective of what is true. That's a lot of what debate boards are about. No?Some intelligent, educated and renowned creationists view some of conventional science's abstract methodology, defying logic, for arriving at truth as poor science.

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The pack rejects any evidence implying the existence in the Universe of a higher intelligence. To do so shoots down their secularistic hypothetical perspective, rendering them, perhaps accountable to a higher power.

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Again, you want people to prefer your inventions to the truth. And accept your opinions no matter how poorly-reasoned.

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Reasoned? Logic and reason are related. Again, whose hypothetical perspective is reasonable is debatable. We're demanding nothing of the pack. The pack is the unreasonable majority who's methodology often defies logic. The pack and their leaders demand their way or the highway.

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Case in point: THE EXODUS THREAD where not one of my acclaimed evidences were considered evidence by the pack.

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Indeed, it is a case which supports my reading.

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That depends on whose/what hypothetical perspective you are reading.

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CASE IN POINT: Message 252 after which I got ousted from science forums.

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As does this. You cannot give a valid reason why the Flood should have the effects you claim. It is nothing but invention.

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You mean, like the singularity, abiogenesis and multi verse theories, deemed by many as inventions arrived at via abstract methodology, defying logic, some, unsupported by basic thermodynamic scientific laws? Many don't think valid reasons are given to render the above the status of theory.

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Yet the pack considers the Singularity event, having no space into which have happened, no time in which to have happened and no outside of into which to expand, as evidence based.

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By which you mean that "the pack" accept the opinions of leading, expert, scientists over that of some ignorant guy on the internet. This would seem to be a rational position.

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These are all elitist who have had their minds programmed through the assembly line of academia from kindergarten on up to graduate level; whose prestige, peer status and livelihood require pack supported hypothetical perspectives.

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After 30 or so pages of debating the pack as to what property of space makes it curve, the pack's consensus amounted to something like, the property of space that makes it curve is that space curves.

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No, it wasn't. That was the misrepresentation you kept appealing to.
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So you ascribe to the property of space being that space curves as evidence that space has the property of curvature? So the pack is exempt from explaining how curvature of space curves space? Yet Floodists must know precisely what properties a pre-flood atmosphere and planet would be? Evolutionists dog pile on creationists, demanding evidence while they exempt themselves, .

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The first ever EvC Great debate was when the pack's Pack Man Jar was to debate me, Buzsaw on the 3LoTs, whether my hypothetical creationist perspective satisfied the LoTs

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And you managed a draw because you were fortunate enough to have a weak opponent. Despite the fact that your assertion is actually false.

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The only problem is that the dog piling pack failed to empirically falsify my winning arguments after that debate. The pack, which agreed upon judging the debate resorted to ousting the winner instead. Typical. No?

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It wasn't long after I debated the pack on the property of space to curve that I was again permanently banned, still having no suspensions on my record. I'm not claiming to have won that debate. My claim is that my counterparts didn't win it either. Thus the length of it.

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But you did lose. The length of the debate was governed only by your willingness to go on boasting nonsense. That only proves your unwillingness to accept defeat.

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So the consensus that the only property of space rendering space the ability to curve is that space curve? That won the argument for the dog piling pack?

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So long as the pack says so, I lost. LOL on that notion.

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I've said all of the above to say that all we creationist minority members need is the for the pack to allow us to debate from the creationist hypothetical perspective, relative to science and evidence.

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By which you mean that they should accept your fabrications as fact.
That isn't going to happen, and it shouldn't happen.

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--------------------------------------------------------------------------------I know. Sigh. Nevertheless, a few of us thick skinned creationists keep on keeping on, the best we can over the years, on behalf of our creationist hypothetical perspectives, in spite of the handicaps imposed upon us by the pack.Perhaps the day will come when one or two of our counterparts will come to realize that some of our perspectives make more sense than what had been programmed into their packman POVs.I'm not asking anyone to accept anything relating to the creationist perspective as to whether it's evidence or not. All we ask of the pack is to allow us to air our POV, debating from our hypothetical perspective relative to evidence and science. Lennart Moller, renowned marine biologist claims to have photographed corral shaped forms citing numerous corroborative acclaims to evidence. From the perspective of many creationists, scientist Moller has cited evidence from scientific research. Counterparts argue that none of it is considered evidence, ordering Buzsaw to produce what is considered by the pack as evidence or leave off debating the topic,

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Of course you are telling untruths here. Moller is NOT renowned as a marine scientist. The existence of the coral forms has generally been accepted. What has NOT been accepted is the assertion that the coral forms were built around ancient Egyptian chariot wheels. And that is because the evidence that would allow us to conclude that has not been presented. Apparently the "renowned marine biologist" can't even give us the growth rates for the coral in question....

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Back to square one. Whose perspective of what is true and renowned by whom? By some credible institutions, yes, Moller is considered renowned as a marine biologist, having the marine craft, equipped with the scientific technology to do scientific research and the knowledge to use it effectively in his profession.Of course, the pack mustn't acknowledge any of Moller's corroborating evidences as evidence, supportive to Moller's photographed acclaimed evidence. No, none of that for the pack, who's secularistic mindset is at stake.quote:
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Look, there's no point getting frustrated because people prefer facts and sound reasoning to your imaginings. That's the way it has to be on ANY forum which tries to get to the truth. So stop whining and demanding that the forum must be biased in your favor. Accept your (many) defeats and move on.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------Yah, I know, Paul. How many times do I have to be told? I shouldn't be responding to the pack's arguments relative to thread topics like this. These sorts of threads are deemed the pack's turf. That's considered whining; not debate. Whining is considered off topic by the pack.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.

My points posted above show how dog piling tends towards, pack tactics, somewhat like coyotes go after deer and other larger animals. By virtue of numbers the pilers working together and aggressively agreeing among themselves that their way is the only way allowed and alternative hypothetical perspective must be debated on the piler's scientific methodologies and viewpoints about what is acceptable in the science for and what should be disallowed.Unless the pack pilers consider evidence as viable debate creationists must be moderated motheringly, post by post, as per the Exodus Thread, etc.I am told by the pack's leader that none of the piler pack accept my acclamation of evidence. Therefore my evidence is considered nil, no matter how many I have cited corroborating one another.So AZPaul, though I still oppose limiting the dog pilers perhaps moderators would do good to keep a better handle on how dog pilers sometimes abuse their privilege, making unreasonable demands on the lone or minority member/s whom they are piling on. Edited by Buzsaw, : Fix quote]

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.

Hi RAZD. I hope all is well with you. Last we heard, you were out and about.Perhaps if the pilers and piled on were all moderated equally about poor quality in posting there would not only be less dog piling, but better quality of messages aired. Some of what I get from the pilers on would never be tolerated from some of us being piled on to.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
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Hi Hooah. None of the evidence cited in the Exodus thread or in matters about space properties, etc had to do with religion perse. All of my Exodus row of ducks-in-sequence pertained to physical evidence cited.Dog pilers often support one another's false claims that it's all about doctrinal religious stuff and not about visible evidence. Your misconception posted above appears to bear that out.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.

LoL, Trae. Creation scientists don't have prayer of a chance of satisfying secularist minded conventional science or to be featured in their peer reviews. Nor should ID creationists expect to satisfy the pack here at EvC on matters of science and evidence. Edited by AdminPD, : Warning

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.