Which More 3LoT Compatible, Cavediver's Temp.Non-ID Or Buzsaw's Infinite ID Universe

In the Dog piling, Dog Piling I said this in Message 42:

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The first ever EvC Great debate was when the pack's Pack Man Jar was to debate me, Buzsaw on the 3LoTs, whether my hypothetical creationist perspective satisfied the LoTs

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There was to be two judges to judge the debate. Pack Man Jar boasted that he'd trounce the creationist man in a couple of messages. I was to compose the OP. The rest is history, Pack Man Jar calling it quits on page two. As for the judging, nary a peep.
Consensus: Pack Man Jar did poorly.

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One of PaulK's responses in Message 43 was this:

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And you managed a draw because you were fortunate enough to have a weak opponent. Despite the fact that your assertion is actually false.

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It is not a draw when your opponent is on the defensive, most of the time on the ropes and counted out in page two when he called it quits. That is not a draw.Now, Paul claims that the reason I did not lose was that I had a weak opponent. OK, I'm putting my money where my mouth is. I would like to attempt a GREAT DEBATE with Cavediver, atheist apostate from Christianity, once professing to be an evangelical Christian.I believe that the reason I won that debate handily is that truth is like a lion. Turn it loose and it will prevail over just about anything. The truth lion is in some respects caged here on this site. Thus my sudden permanent bannings back then, having no suspensions previous and now my ouster from science now because I refuse to kowtow to debating on the terms of conventional science.Was it that Jar was a weak opponent or was it that my hypothesis satisfied the 3LoTs more-so than Jar's conventional science theory? Methinks, perhaps, the latter. I would like to see how it fairs with Cavediver, who we all respect as the site's most astute authority on the scientific methodologies, including the more complicated more abstract ones such as relativity and QM.Mind you, I'm not boasting, as Jar did before the debate ensued that I will win. Was PaulK right that my opponent was weak, or it is that the Biblical Buzsaw hypothesis is more compatible than Jar's conventional science theory?I'm not trying to be Mr smarty-pants. I'm thinking that the sort of arguments that defeated Jar can at least keep me on par or better with Cavediver in that they believe alike, pretty much on this topic.The topic will be Which satisfies the three basic 3Lot's the best, the Buzsaw literal rendering of the Genesis record or BB and the singularity events espoused by conventional science? I would do up an OP to kick it off. I would like to have two judges Lyx2no and ICANT if they would be agreeable, one representative of conventional science and one creationist. The judges could do some messaging among themselves and see how it would come out if they saw the need to. I am confident that these two members would be objective and fair, not that there would be others equally so, but these came to mind.I would like for this debate to be as slow and casual as need be, in that this is a very busy time for me and in that I will likely need to do some research. I will need to pray and think a lot, perhaps before moving forward, being a slow thinker and having no college degree etc. Sometimes when I pray, in the middle of the night's wee hours God's light bulb lights up in my mind, how to respond to difficult challenges.Imo, logic can go a long way, coupled with prayer and some basic knowledge of how the 3Lots apply. If Jehovah be the true ID majestic manager of the Universe, Jehovah be the ultimate source of truth and knowledge. He's revealed himself to me in wonderful ways, as he promised, something like, "you draw near to me and I will draw near to you, and "Jehovah's eyes walk to and fro throughout the earth, showing himself strong on behalf of those whose heart is perfect towards him." II Chronicles 16:9(NOTE: I ran out of spaces in my Title so I left out an "is" and abreviated "Temporal" to "Temp")
Edited by Buzsaw, : Cap Great Debate.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.

The Buz/Jar "Great Debate": Great Debate, Intelligent Design, Supernatural And Thermodynamic Laws (between Buzsaw and jar only)The follow-up "Peanut Gallery" topic: Observations of Great Debate - ID and thermodynamicsI'm in no rush to promote this topic, but everyone can look at the previous material.Adminnemooseus

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But the consensus of PaulK and others is that the reason I won that debate is that Jar was a weak contender and not that my hypothesis best complied with the LoTs.That debate was a long time ago. A new debate with the cite's most prestigious physicist would either support or falsify the consensus that the reason I won the debate was a weak opponent; (ABE: not that my creationist hypothesis is more compatible with the basic laws of science, more-so than the theories of conventional science. ) Over time I have learned some things and made some adjustments in my understanding of science and the Genesis record, relative to this topic. That may have a bearing on some debating in the Peanut Gallery as well as how my arguments are aired.I wonder what Cavediver thinks about this proposal. If he is confident that the conventional science theories on origins are so great and that ID Genesis stuff is totally unscientific, let him show his stuff whereas the allegedly weak opponent failed. Edited by Buzsaw, : as noted by color

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.

Hi Buzsaw,You're currently barred from the Science Forums and that is unlikely to change.

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--	Percy
	EvC Forum Director

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