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Author Topic:   Is agnosticism more intellectually honest?
Dr Adequate
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Message 80 of 95 (630774)
08-27-2011 6:23 PM
Reply to: Message 78 by RAZD
08-27-2011 6:21 PM


Re: scales, evidence and logic, and the question of honesty
So do you in fact carry silver at the time of the full moon to ward off werewolves?

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Dr Adequate
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Message 82 of 95 (630776)
08-27-2011 6:27 PM
Reply to: Message 79 by IamJoseph
08-27-2011 6:22 PM


What if the universe is deemed absolutely finite.
Er ... isn't that what you're meant to be telling me? It is you, not I, who thinks he can deduce some theological consequence from the size of the universe.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 85 of 95 (630780)
08-27-2011 6:55 PM
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08-27-2011 6:39 PM


Re: Ben Franklin test
Is there supporting evidence that werewolves (and unicorns) do not exist? Is there is an absence of evidence that would be expected (predicted) if they existed?
Well, there's an absence of evidence of werewolves.
Why wouldn't having a 5 position be enough to behave as if werewolves did not exist?
Because it doesn't go so far as saying that they probably don't.
Is it?
Yes.
How would he know that if he had no way to detect electricity?
Well, if he had no evidence at all for the very existence of electricity, then he should certainly have doubted that it was present in lightning just as he should have doubted the presence of groosnarp and fleem.
Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.

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Message 86 of 95 (630781)
08-27-2011 6:57 PM
Reply to: Message 83 by IamJoseph
08-27-2011 6:33 PM


Its not a theological question. You can feel safe answering it.
Safe, yes, capable, no.
You ask me what if the universe was finite. But I do not know what conclusion, or even what kind of conclusion, you think can be drawn from that. You, on the other hand, do. So you tell me.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 88 of 95 (630790)
08-27-2011 9:39 PM
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08-27-2011 7:21 PM


When you arrive at a brick wall and keep banging on it - you end up in a circular path. The correct way is to allow alternate considerations and see if they fit. However, it seems you are fundamentally in opposition to test your case. So either continue banging your head on the brick wall - or follow the course I suggested as a devil's adquate test.
I cannot follow the course you suggested because you have not in fact suggested a course, or, if you have, you have not done so in any language with which I am familiar.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 91 of 95 (630796)
08-27-2011 11:08 PM
Reply to: Message 89 by Blue Jay
08-27-2011 10:21 PM


If there were werewolves in Las Vegas, don't you think a few things would have been noticed by now? For instance, heightened death tolls and animal-like maulings during full moons, a few eyewitness accounts, people who regularly and inexplicably black out every full moon, etc.
The definition of a werewolf is simply someone who can turn into a wolf. Do they have to conform to your stereotypes of them?
Maybe they stay home with a dish of dogfood rather than going around drawing attention to themselves by mauling people. And why should they black out? Maybe they are fully conscious of being werewolves and are understandably discreet about it.
Not so for gods: god concepts vary so much that there is no consistent set of evidence like this that would cover the whole spectrum of god concepts.
Well, obviously when I talk about gods I'm talking about my god concept. Suppose someone decides to worship my left leg as a god. I believe in the existence of my left leg, but that wouldn't make me a theist, because I wouldn't classify my leg as a deity.
It is certainly possibly for there to be a lack of credible evidence for anything that I would consider to be a god if it existed. Indeed, this is the case. But even if it was not, my argument was directed at someone who was agnostic merely because one can't prove a negative; that there is no evidence for gods is taken as a premise for the sake of argument.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 92 of 95 (630797)
08-27-2011 11:11 PM
Reply to: Message 90 by IamJoseph
08-27-2011 10:59 PM


Suit yorself. Your not shit scared, right?
No, that is not in fact the reason why you refuse to tell me what your argument is.
As I cannot read your mind, I shall abstain from speculating as to why you won't; I shall merely note that this is actually your choice rather than mine.
Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.

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