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Nuggin Member (Idle past 2523 days) Posts: 2965 From: Los Angeles, CA USA Joined:
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To be fair, they are not the only group who vote against their own interest. Another group that behaves somewhat like this is the hispanic community. They have a pretty good record of voting republican even though the republican party hates them. Why? Because I guess the hispanics are more anti-gay than they are pro-immigration rights. Actually a large section of the hispanic community (the voters) are extremely conservative about immigration. Those hispanics who went through legally, or were born to parents who went through legally, really hate the illegals.
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hooah212002 Member (Idle past 832 days) Posts: 3193 Joined:
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The child of a coal miner has the same right to healthcare as the child of a stock broker. Blaming the child for being born to coal miners is ridiculous. If the coal miner worked a little harder, he could become the stock broker. He just doesn't work hard enough. "Why don't you call upon your God to strike me? Oh, I forgot it's because he's fake like Thor, so bite me" -Greydon Square
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Nuggin Member (Idle past 2523 days) Posts: 2965 From: Los Angeles, CA USA Joined: |
If the coal miner worked a little harder, he could become the stock broker. He just doesn't work hard enough. Aside from not being true, it's also irrelevant. Whether or not the coal miner lived up to his potential is an issue that HE needs to deal with. The American Citizen offspring of that coal miner is not "irresponsible" for having been born to poor parents. You might as well execute all offspring of a murderer because "he should have known better".
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hooah212002 Member (Idle past 832 days) Posts: 3193 Joined: |
The American Citizen offspring of that coal miner is not "irresponsible" for having been born to poor parents. "I'm rich, why aren't you?" I never said blame anyone. That family just needs to work harder. But why should I care about them? I have my millions, they should get their millions from THEIR hard work. What's so hard about that?"Why don't you call upon your God to strike me? Oh, I forgot it's because he's fake like Thor, so bite me" -Greydon Square
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
You are saying that an American Citizen's rights should be determined by the whether or not some other American Citizen was responsible or not. non sequitur
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
Those hispanics who went through legally, or were born to parents who went through legally, really hate the illegals. Some of them do, but by and large it does not seem to be the case that legal Hispanics hate illegals. Generally speaking, other than blocs of Cubans, Hispanic voters are very wary of Republicans despite any conservative leanings they might have on some issues. Republicans consider getting 35% of the Hispanic vote to be doing very well. All Hispanics voters are here legally, and are in fact U.S. citizens by any definition.
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Nuggin Member (Idle past 2523 days) Posts: 2965 From: Los Angeles, CA USA Joined: |
I never said blame anyone. That family just needs to work harder. But why should I care about them? I have my millions, they should get their millions from THEIR hard work. What's so hard about that? Again, you are saying that a 5yr old child doesn't deserve healthcare because it doesn't have the same level of work experience that you have and doesn't earn the same salary. How much harder can a 5 year old work?
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Nuggin Member (Idle past 2523 days) Posts: 2965 From: Los Angeles, CA USA Joined: |
non sequitur Here's a tip: Don't use a term if you don't know what it means. I makes you sound like an idiot.
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Nuggin Member (Idle past 2523 days) Posts: 2965 From: Los Angeles, CA USA Joined: |
All Hispanics voters are here legally, and are in fact U.S. citizens by any definition. Yes, and issues of immigration are typically issues involving illegal immigration. So, you have legal hispanics voting about illegal hispanics.
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
Thanks for the tip, but I do know what it means.
What you said I was saying didn't follow from what I actually said. Here's a tip: Spinning people's position into different ones so that you can ridicule them makes you look like an asshole.
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Aware Wolf Member (Idle past 1451 days) Posts: 156 From: New Hampshire, USA Joined:
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you seem to have caved early to avoid dispute Eh, that may be a fair criticism. I did want to avoid arguing the morality of the Tea Party's philosophy with someone (Crash) with whom I more or less agree, so I ducked out when the ducking was good. My only point originally was that Nuggin's language in message 5:
- The same Tea Party is cheering the death of an uninsured man at the debates. did not fairly capture the Tea Party's position. That doesn't mean that I agree with what (I think) the Tea Party's actual position is.
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
My only point originally was that Nuggin's language in message 5:
- The same Tea Party is cheering the death of an uninsured man at the debates. did not fairly capture the Tea Party's position. And I agree with you and think you were explaining it well... until crash spun you just a little bit and then you immediately fell over But you shouldn't even bother with Nuggin's phraseology, he does everything he can to villify his opponents (so much that it comes off as trolling to me); so don't waste your time**.
That doesn't mean that I agree with what (I think) the Tea Party's actual position is. Of course not. **ABE You can see what I mean in Message 45 quote: quote: quote: He can't be serious, can he? Anybody in their right mind can see that I wasn't attacking children... er maybe that's it, maybe he's just crazy. And what with all the foam I'm imagining comming out of his mouth, dontcha just picture him like you would Dennis Markuze? Edited by Catholic Scientist, : see abe
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Nuggin Member (Idle past 2523 days) Posts: 2965 From: Los Angeles, CA USA Joined: |
Thanks for the tip, but I do know what it means. What you said I was saying didn't follow from what I actually said. You were implying that the children who are American citizens should not receive healthcare if their parents didn't live up to your standard of being "personally responsible". It's not a non sequitor to call you out on that bullshit. You don't punish a 5 year old for something his parents do or don't do.
Here's a tip: Spinning people's position into different ones so that you can ridicule them makes you look like an asshole. Here's a tip: You're an asshole. You are attacking children. I don't have to spin shit.
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
You were implying that the children who are American citizens should not receive healthcare if their parents didn't live up to your standard of being "personally responsible". Nope, sure wasn't.
Here's a tip: You're an asshole. You should be suspended for that.
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Nuggin Member (Idle past 2523 days) Posts: 2965 From: Los Angeles, CA USA Joined: |
But you shouldn't even bother with Nuggin's phraseology, he does everything he can to villify his opponents Yes, because you attacking innocent children really requires a whole lot of work for me to vilify you. Give me a break. Time to grow a fucking nutsack and own up to your position. You want a 5 year old child to get sick and die because his father didn't get a good enough job. It's YOUR argument. Don't be a fucking pansy and back track now. Own it or disown it. Pretending you didn't just make the argument just makes you look like a fucking retard.
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