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Trixie
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Message 12 of 40 (643045)
12-04-2011 7:18 AM
Reply to: Message 7 by NoNukes
12-03-2011 7:54 PM


Re: Threshold questions
I got bored today do deided to hunt down the quote
Why clouds don’t collapse on their own is still a ‘great mystery’.
The quote originally comes from this site
Accretion hypothesis - creation.com
The full phrase which is bounded by quotation marks is
In other words, The general model requires some mechanism to trigger a cloud’s collapse: a supernova explosion, a shock wave from the galaxy’s spiral arms, cloud collisions, or stellar winds. Why clouds don’t collapse on their own is still a ‘great mystery’.50
50 refers to the reference the quote is obtained from. Reference 50 is given as Edelson, ref. 44, p. 12. Reference 44 is given as Edelson, E., Astrochemistry comes of age, Mosaic 10(1):9—14, 1979; p. 13.
So I found the full reference 44 online,
Forbidden
On page 12 it says
[qs]The general model requires
some mechanism to trigger a cloud's
collapse: a supernova explosion, a shock
wave from the galaxy's spiral arms, cloud
collisions or stellar winds. Why clouds
don't collapse on their own, muses
Scoville, is still "a great mystery."
Scoville is Nicholas Scoville of University of Massachusetts. There is no reference given for this quote from Scoville in Edelson's article. Edelson was a science journalist in the1970s.
I haven't checked out any of the other quotes which contain ellipses cos I'm no longer bored, but it passed an entertaining 10 minutes.

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Trixie
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Message 16 of 40 (643051)
12-04-2011 9:28 AM
Reply to: Message 15 by NoNukes
12-04-2011 8:55 AM


Re: Threshold questions
It's not that it removes the identity which is important, it's the fact that it removes the word "muses". On face value the chap sitting having a think to himself is not hard evidence based on data. While he may be using hard evidence to come to this conclusion, we have no idea what that evidence is. No support is provided by him nor the author, no reference, nothing.
Are we to accept what he says based on who he is? That's really all we have to go on. The removal of "muses Scoville" changes the quote so that it can be presented as some sort of evidence when is not.

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