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Author Topic:   Why Do People Steal?
onifre
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Message 208 of 270 (643241)
12-05-2011 6:01 PM
Reply to: Message 206 by crashfrog
12-05-2011 5:33 PM


Re: Theft and Entitlement
No, it's costing your time. And again your time is only free if your time is worthless.
Your time off of work is worthless, unless you fuck with the numbers. Instead of sitting on the couch watching crap, they could go grocery shopping.
Plus, here in NYC I shop daily walking home. It takes me about the same time as stopping at a fast food joint.
two less paid hours at work
Shop after work or on the weekend.
And you know what? Your kids won't fucking complain about eating McNuggets, but they might very well revolt at whatever revolting slop you're able to throw together for 5 dollars and 15 minutes
No one said $5 in 15 minutes. The average dinner at McDonalds, as I linked, is $25 - that's just dinner. I can makes a cheaper, better meal for $10 - my amazing spaghetti that my kids LOVE - and save $15 bucks. That's just an example. I can make many more meals for $10 - $15 which still saves me money.
Talk to a parent
Don't need to, I am one. You should talk to parents as you have no fucking clue what you're going on about.
shutting your kids the fuck up about dinner is worth a pretty substantial dollar amount.
Shoving McDonalds in their mouth so they won't complain is not only irresponsible, but shows you don't know how to parent. My kids have never complained to me about any meal I made for them, especially when I would include them in the cooking process.
If you start them off with good, healthy food, they actually reject the fast food garbage.
- Oni

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onifre
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Message 212 of 270 (643317)
12-06-2011 10:07 AM
Reply to: Message 211 by Artemis Entreri
12-06-2011 9:48 AM


Re: Cheap dining
I think a burger counts.
Then so does a bowl of Ramen Noodles, and you make that at home, and it's cheaper yet than McDonalds.
Maybe rich people like you from Miami have a five course dinner, but at the trailer park in southern Illinois a burger is just dandy.
Oh yeah baby, we gots electricity, picture boxes and indoor plumbing too. You know how awesome we kids of immigrant parents with factory jobs live! Eat'n spam and bologne like we were the Rockefeller's!
I don't think its safe to leave something on all day long, i could burn the trailer down.
A crock pot won't burn anything down. If your electricity is that faulty in your trailer, there's a bunch of things that would cause an electrical fire before a crock pot.
- Oni

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onifre
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Message 213 of 270 (643318)
12-06-2011 10:08 AM
Reply to: Message 211 by Artemis Entreri
12-06-2011 9:48 AM


Re: Cheap dining
ts not about winning
It's all about winning. #TigerBlood
- Oni

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onifre
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Message 219 of 270 (643391)
12-06-2011 3:45 PM
Reply to: Message 209 by crashfrog
12-05-2011 6:32 PM


Re: Theft and Entitlement
And I bet you're not paying a dollar for a can of green beans in downtown NYC, are you? Everybody knows how the price of food doubles or triples when you have to buy it from a bodega instead of from Megabox Mart or whatever you have out there (Giant, I think?)
I go to Trader Joes. It's cheap, compared to Whole Foods, and not much more expensive than Wal-Mart.
After work might be 7pm for someone who works first and second shifts.
Or not for those who work other hours. Like anyone in the construction business who work 7-330, or teachers, or people who work in a bank, or postal service, etc.
There's just as many people working normal shifts than there are working late shifts. But in any case, there is time when you are off work, whatever those hours may be, where you can shop. Wal-Marts are open 24 hours in many places.
Doing the cooking and shopping might mean your kids don't get dinner till 8 or 8:30. I think a lot of people would consider that just way too late, especially if your kids got home at 3 and have to wait five hours for dinner.
So...do what my ex wife does. She makes the food, places it in plastic containers and freezes it. When my kids get home and are hungry (they are 15 and 13 yrs old) they microwave it themselves and have home cooked meal made at a very cheap cost. Not only cheap in current cost but in the long run with health issues due to fast-food-like diets.
Trying to assemble an actual balanced meal of fresh vegetables and lean proteins is ruinous, it costs more than their entire food budget for the week.
That's nonsense. I did it, I lived it. I balanced the cost myself. It was cheaper to buy food and cook it. Kids don't go to McDonalds and ask for one single burger from the dollar menu, at least not my kids. They want full meals, fries soda and sometimes dessert. I can give them an equally satisfying meal for a cheaper cost from the grocery store.
Baring the extreme case when Ramen noodles is the call for dinner and all one can afford, the avergae middle class family would go broke dining out.
- Oni

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onifre
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Message 220 of 270 (643392)
12-06-2011 3:47 PM
Reply to: Message 218 by Phat
12-06-2011 11:39 AM


Re: Getting Ready For Topic Summation Mode
Hence, when we see customers steal, we feel as if they are essentially stealing from us since they steal from the bottom line which puts even more pressure on the corporation to reduce labor costs.
That's a great game corporations play: hurt you, the lowest on the rung when the poorest of the poor steal. When we turn on each other they win.
- Oni

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onifre
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Message 227 of 270 (643447)
12-07-2011 12:20 AM
Reply to: Message 224 by crashfrog
12-06-2011 5:39 PM


Re: Theft and Entitlement
In the spirit of getting back to the topic, this will be the last post on this side topic.
Well, look. Watch the movie and tell me what you think they're lying about.
Fair enough, and when you get a chance, if you haven't already, check out Fast Food Nation that examines the on-going corrupt fast food industry and their targeting to kids.
quote:
Regarding the topic of child-targeted marketing, Schlosser explains how the McDonald's Corporation modeled its marketing tactics on The Walt Disney Company, which inspired the creation of advertising icons such as Ronald McDonald and his sidekicks. Marketing executives theorized this shift to market to children would result not only in attracting children, but their parents and grandparents as well. More importantly, the tactic would instill brand loyalty that would persist through adulthood via nostalgic associations to McDonald's. Schlosser also discusses the tactic's ills: the exploitation of children's navet and trusting nature.
In marketing to children, Schlosser suggests, corporations have infiltrated schools through sponsorship and quid pro quo. He sees that reductions in corporate taxation have come at the expense of school funding, thereby presenting many corporations with the opportunity for sponsorship with those same schools. According to his sources, 80% of sponsored textbooks contain material that is biased in favor of the sponsors, and 30% of high schools offer fast foods in their cafeterias.[5] Schlosser shares anecdotes suggesting that students who disregarded sponsorships could be punished, such as the case of high school student Mike Cameron. He was suspended from school for an incident on "Coke day"; while his fellow students wore red or white T-shirts and posed collectively as the word COKE while aerial photographs were taken, Cameron instead wore Pepsi-blue.
In his examination of the meat packing industry, Schlosser finds that it is now dominated by casual, easily exploited immigrant labor and that levels of injury are among the highest of any occupation in the United States. Schlosser discusses his findings on meat packing companies IBP, Inc. and on Kenny Dobbins. Schlosser also recounts the steps involved in meat processing and reveals several hazardous practices unknown to many consumers, such as the practice of rendering dead pigs and horses and chicken manure into cattle feed.
Schlosser notes that practices like these were responsible for the spread of bovine spongiform encephalopathy (BSE, aka Mad Cow Disease, p. 202-3), as well as for introducing harmful bacteria into the food supply, such as E. coli O157:H7 (ch. 9, "What's In The Meat"). A later section of the book discusses the fast food industry's role in globalization, linking increased obesity in China and Japan with the arrival of fast food. The book also includes a summary of the McLibel Case.
Pointing out also, the obesity problem in the US and abroad that, while it may seem initially cheaper to buy fast food, costs far more in the long run. A cost that needs to be factored in when calculating the over-all value for your dollar.
What's the point of dining at a low cost when the health risk, like diabetis, high blood pressure and obesity are the end result?
t we're not always talking about middle class families, are we?
No, of course not. But then for the poor there are even cheaper options than fast food like, Ramen noodles and canned spaghetti, who's cost are far lower than even the $1 menu.
That's why I said baring the extreme case of poverty, it is cheaper to cook at home.
But I'll give you the last word and we can get back to Phat's OP.
- Oni

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