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Author Topic:   An Atheist By Any Other Name . . .
Percy
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Message 3 of 209 (657513)
03-29-2012 9:08 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Taq
03-28-2012 12:46 PM


Suggestions:
  • unbeliever
  • areligiousist (areligious is fine, but areligiousist is unpronounceable and must be rejected on those grounds)
  • doubter
  • faithless
  • seeker
  • questioner
  • skeptic
Is "bright" really any better than "we're better than you"?
--Percy

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Message 65 of 209 (657974)
04-01-2012 1:29 PM
Reply to: Message 54 by shadow71
04-01-2012 10:13 AM


Re: ...is still an Atheist
shadow71 writes:
Looks to me like a many "atheists" are "Hedging their bets." Defined as An intentionally non commital or ambigous statement.
Yes, if we accept your incorrect definition of "hedging your bets," then atheists who do not unambiguously believe there is no God are hedging their bets.
But in reality the term "hedging your bets" has not changed its definition and still, in this context, refers to those who are not sure whether there is a God but devoutly practice a religion anyway just to be safe. Now, which religion to choose. You don't happen to know which is the one, right and true religion, do you?
--Percy

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Message 74 of 209 (658034)
04-01-2012 10:11 PM
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04-01-2012 1:56 PM


Re: ...is still an Atheist
shadow71 writes:
Here is where I found the definition I used. From the free dictionary.com ThesaurusLegend: Synonyms Related Words Antonyms... 3. hedge - an intentionally noncommittal or ambiguous statement; "when you say `maybe' you are just hedging"
Whatever led you to believe that the word "hedge" and the phrase "hedge your bets" are synonyms? They're not unrelated, after all the word is part of the phrase, but you can't look up the word "hedge" and believe you've found the definition of "hedge your bets."
But even the word "hedge" by itself is inappropriate in the way you're trying to use it. Refusing to commit on issues of insufficient evidence is a hallmark of good science, not hedging. And refusal to commit is akin to placing no bet at all and would be the furthest thing from hedging your bets.
I have a firm belief what is the right and true religion.
I'm sure you do, as do many other people around the world. You can't all be right. Shouldn't you be hedging your bets and attending the churches of all religions? After all, you don't want to be left behind.
--Percy

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Message 147 of 209 (658460)
04-05-2012 8:49 AM
Reply to: Message 145 by shadow71
04-04-2012 7:27 PM


Re: hedging
Hi Shadow,
I don't think you're addressing Taq's real point.
You reject Hindu beliefs just as atheists do. And you also reject Islamic beliefs, just as atheists do. And you also reject Buddhist beliefs, just as atheists do. In fact, you reject all the same religious beliefs that atheists do, with the exception of Roman Catholicism.
Taq's question about whether you would call yourself an Ahinduist or an Azeusist was rhetorical. The key question concerns what reasons you have for rejecting the beliefs of religions not your own? Unless those reasons are trivial ("They're not my religion, therefore I reject them") they'll probably have much in common with the reasons atheists cite.
The only difference between you and atheists is that atheists apply that reasoning to all religions, while you apply it to all religions but one.
--Percy

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Message 157 of 209 (658527)
04-05-2012 4:36 PM
Reply to: Message 148 by Artemis Entreri
04-05-2012 9:56 AM


A friend of the Bah' faith writes:
Artemis is oversimplifying the concept quite a bit. We believe that all the major world religions come from the same God. As mankind grows and develops and is ready to learn more God sends a new messenger. The spiritual teachings of these messengers are the same. The social teachings are different and apply to the time and place the messenger came. Also until recently in human history communication and the ability to travel was limited. So when a new messenger came only that part of the world would be aware of that messenger. We don’t believe God would leave people in other parts of the world without guidance. So other parts of the world got messengers also.
I wonder if the Bah' faith has any opinions on which of the world's religions have gotten the message.
--Percy

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Message 159 of 209 (658558)
04-06-2012 10:34 AM
Reply to: Message 158 by Artemis Entreri
04-06-2012 8:39 AM


Re: so no answer i assume?
Artemis Entreri writes:
weird i thought for sure you'd have a snarcky comeback rather than avoiding it altogether
Not sure what you're talking about. You were commenting about religion as cultural backdrop and concluded with a rhetorical question about the Bah' faith. I was just offering information about Bah' from someone of that faith.
--Percy

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Message 162 of 209 (658583)
04-06-2012 4:16 PM
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04-06-2012 1:29 PM


Re: so no answer i assume?
Artemis Entreri writes:
it wasn't rhetorical
Okay, choose your own term, but absent further clarification your question is rendered moot because as my Bah' friend pointed out, "all the religions as one religion" is "oversimplifying the concept quite a bit."
If you're asking about the Bah' faith as a cultural backdrop, I'm afraid I don't know enough about them to have an opinion. I wasn't trying to answer your question, just provide more accurate information about Bah'.
--Percy

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Message 195 of 209 (658824)
04-10-2012 6:45 AM
Reply to: Message 183 by shadow71
04-09-2012 7:40 PM


Re: hedging
shadow71 writes:
Quit hedging your bets.
You still don't seem to know what this means.
--Percy

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