Randomness of evolution?

Hi Shadow,I think you may be dancing around what you really want to discuss. It sounds like what you really want to talk about is whether natural selection is not only non-random but planned. If you have some ideas along these lines then please describe them and change the title so it matches the topic.

Hi Shadow,Your premise is that evolution is planned, and your supporting evidence is:

1. We don't know how or why life began.
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2. We don't know how DNA or genes originated.
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3. CRISPR systems may be non-random with respect to fitness.
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4. Ockham's Razor argues simplicity.

I'm not sure Ockham's Razor applies here since the means by which a planner could have evaded detection thus far would involve discarding much of modern physics, a very non-simple theory.But this sounds exactly like earlier discussions. If you just want to resume an old discussion then that would be fine, but I want to give you another opportunity, if you want, to seek out better evidence. Evidence of an actual mechanism behind the planning would be ideal but probably unexpected, but is there anything else new out there?

Hi Shadow,Now the thread is beginning to look a bit thin on subject matter. You don't need an entire thread just to express your opinion again. It's okay to discuss something that has been discussed before, but there does need to be a central focus or theme that is based upon evidence rather than opinion.

Your proposal isn't unacceptable, but with each response your proposal changes non-trivially. You've gone from wanting to discuss whether natural selection is planned to whether there's any evidence for randomness in evolution.As a natural process following natural physical laws evolution cannot help but be as random as the rest of the universe. Are you talking about the randomness of mutations with respect to fitness? But you also mentioned the origin of the universe and the origin of life, so I'm wondering if you're trying to argue that there's no randomness in natural processes.ABE - {Topic proposer has not posted anywhere for almost 2 months. Closing without promotion on July 20, 2012 - Adminnemooseus}Edited by Adminnemooseus, : ABE.