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roxrkool
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Message 16 of 28 (680206)
11-18-2012 12:52 PM
Reply to: Message 15 by RAZD
11-17-2012 6:11 PM


Re: Foreveryoung
Third.

Sometimes it seems like a complete waste of time to discuss YEC/flood geology and I've pretty much exhausted my patience with it. So it's nice to see this happen every once in a while.


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Message 17 of 28 (680376)
11-19-2012 11:39 AM
Reply to: Message 14 by fearandloathing
11-17-2012 5:37 PM


Re: Foreveryoung
FEY has continued to demonstrate some exemplary debating in that thread - he's demolished every one of Faith's arguments as she posts them, and he's been considerately polite the entire time. His own experience in abandoning the YEC position as hopelessly and irretrievably inaccurate is serving him very well in an encounter with someone who clings to demonstrably false beliefs...and even when Faith attempted a rather nasty ad hominem by telling FEY that he might as well "give up the Bible entirely" and told him he had "abandoned God's word," FEY simply continued to politely knock down her arguments. He didn't take the bait, he didn't go off topic, and he kept his cool, over a prolonged debate with one of the most frustrating opponents.

I can't say enough good things about his performance in that thread.


“The human understanding when it has once adopted an opinion (either as being the received opinion or as being agreeable to itself) draws all things else to support and agree with it.”
- Francis Bacon

"There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs." - John Rogers

“A world that can be explained even with bad reasons is a familiar world. But, on the other hand, in a universe suddenly divested of illusions and lights, man feels an alien, a stranger. His exile is without remedy since he is deprived of the memory of a lost home or the hope of a promised land. This divorce between man and his life, the actor and his setting, is properly the feeling of absurdity.” – Albert Camus

"...the pious hope that by combining numerous little turds of
variously tainted data, one can obtain a valuable result; but in fact, the
outcome is merely a larger than average pile of shit." Barash, David 1995.


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Message 18 of 28 (680551)
11-20-2012 12:37 AM


Rahvin, at "Creationism Road Trip"
Author: Rahvin
Forum: Creation/Evolution Miscellany
Thread: Creationism Road Trip
Message #: 230

Indeed, this Flood is so incomparable to even large-scale "conventional" flooding that it seems to have magic properties.

And more.

Something like the anti-flood rant I've had rattling around in my mind for years, that I've never been able to pull together into a good message.

Alas, the topic seems to have a lot of good material by various authors, lost in an in general dubious topic. Even compliments to those of the creationist side, for their part in the effort.

Or something like that.

Moose

Edited by Minnemooseus, : Remove a little word that didn't belong in the sentence.


Professor, geology, Whatsamatta U
Evolution - Changes in the environment, caused by the interactions of the components of the environment.

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"The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness." - John Kenneth Galbraith

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Message 19 of 28 (680677)
11-20-2012 3:18 PM
Reply to: Message 18 by Minnemooseus
11-20-2012 12:37 AM


Re: Rahvin, at "Creationism Road Trip"
Thanks, Moose.

“The human understanding when it has once adopted an opinion (either as being the received opinion or as being agreeable to itself) draws all things else to support and agree with it.”
- Francis Bacon

"There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs." - John Rogers

“A world that can be explained even with bad reasons is a familiar world. But, on the other hand, in a universe suddenly divested of illusions and lights, man feels an alien, a stranger. His exile is without remedy since he is deprived of the memory of a lost home or the hope of a promised land. This divorce between man and his life, the actor and his setting, is properly the feeling of absurdity.” – Albert Camus

"...the pious hope that by combining numerous little turds of
variously tainted data, one can obtain a valuable result; but in fact, the
outcome is merely a larger than average pile of shit." Barash, David 1995.


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Message 20 of 28 (681374)
11-24-2012 10:42 PM


Omnivorous
Omnivorous

Message 469

A very good post in an otherwise undistinguished thread (The war of atheism).

Edited by Coyote, : add thread name


Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein


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Message 21 of 28 (681399)
11-25-2012 2:53 PM
Reply to: Message 20 by Coyote
11-24-2012 10:42 PM


Re: Omnivorous
Agreed, I really appreciate Omni sharing his experience in the thread.
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Message 22 of 28 (681424)
11-25-2012 4:30 PM
Reply to: Message 20 by Coyote
11-24-2012 10:42 PM


Re: Omnivorous
Thanks, Coyote.

I try to steer between my belief that more truth can be found inside an honest narrative than in abstractions and my reluctance to be an old man telling boring stories. It's good to hear I may have gotten one right.


"If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads."

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Message 23 of 28 (681426)
11-25-2012 4:33 PM
Reply to: Message 21 by crashfrog
11-25-2012 2:53 PM


Re: Omnivorous
Thanks, crash. I find far more to applaud in your posts than to critique. I hope it shows.

"If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads."

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Message 24 of 28 (682233)
11-30-2012 4:32 PM


Rahvin Knocks It Out Of The Park
Author: Rahvin
Forum: Bible Study
Thread: Is God good?
Message: Message 106

This post gives me a raging Atheist boner. Similar to how I felt while reading Hitchens' "god is Not Great".


"Science is interesting, and if you don't agree you can fuck off." -Dawkins

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Message 25 of 28 (682245)
11-30-2012 5:21 PM
Reply to: Message 24 by hooah212002
11-30-2012 4:32 PM


Re: Rahvin Knocks It Out Of The Park
While I don't for a moment believe I have the writing talent of the late, great Hitchens, thanks for the nomination!

And, um...grats on the godless erection?


“The human understanding when it has once adopted an opinion (either as being the received opinion or as being agreeable to itself) draws all things else to support and agree with it.”
- Francis Bacon

"There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs." - John Rogers

“A world that can be explained even with bad reasons is a familiar world. But, on the other hand, in a universe suddenly divested of illusions and lights, man feels an alien, a stranger. His exile is without remedy since he is deprived of the memory of a lost home or the hope of a promised land. This divorce between man and his life, the actor and his setting, is properly the feeling of absurdity.” – Albert Camus

"...the pious hope that by combining numerous little turds of
variously tainted data, one can obtain a valuable result; but in fact, the
outcome is merely a larger than average pile of shit." Barash, David 1995.


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Message 26 of 28 (682247)
11-30-2012 5:29 PM
Reply to: Message 24 by hooah212002
11-30-2012 4:32 PM


Re: Rahvin Knocks It Out Of The Park
I'm gonna tag-team this with you. I nominate him as well for that post.

Don't sell yourself short, Rahvin, just develop an accent and a drinking problem and you're just about Hitchens. Great post.

- Oni

Edited by onifre, : No reason given.


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Message 27 of 28 (682257)
11-30-2012 6:07 PM
Reply to: Message 26 by onifre
11-30-2012 5:29 PM


Re: Rahvin Knocks It Out Of The Park
Onifre writes:

just develop an accent


That is not an accent.
That is just how things sound when they are pronounced properly.

(Jimmy Carr)

And I 'third' the nomination.

Edited by Panda, : No reason given.


"There is no great invention, from fire to flying, which has not been hailed as an insult to some god." J. B. S. Haldane

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Message 28 of 28 (682259)
11-30-2012 6:10 PM
Reply to: Message 26 by onifre
11-30-2012 5:29 PM


Re: Rahvin Knocks It Out Of The Park
Third. And if I wasn't busy qs-in' my ass off because I was so encouraged that fey decided to engage rather than jeer, I'd've beaten you guys to it.

No, Rahvin, you're not late great Hitchens; you're early great Rahvin.

Way better.

AbE: Okay, fine, fourth.

AbE-2: Oh, well, engage and then jeer. Whatevs.

Edited by Omnivorous, : No reason given.

Edited by Omnivorous, : No reason given.


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