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Jon Inactive Member |
Get past that straw man and you'll see that estimating the economic benefit a business derives from different roles can be estimated by assessing the economic impact of that work not being done. Each step in the production process of a finished good or service presumably adds some value to the good or service. Each step is also presumably essential. The problem with your method of estimation is that it is very likely that the removal of any one step (or role) will result in no good or service, leaving us to concludeerroneouslythat such step was responsible for 100% of the economic benefit provided by that product. Obviously this is nonsense. To really see the impact that each step has on the good or service, you have to look at the selling price of that good or service before that step and after that step. That is, the cost of the input and the price of the output. That is how we figure out the benefit of a certain role to the good or service it helps produce. Your method cannot work, because removing any step in the process leaves us without the good or service we want and causes us to conclude that every step individually contributes 100% of the economic benefit; which is clearly nonsense. Jon Edited by Jon, : No reason given.Love your enemies!
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Jon Inactive Member |
Don't forget that McDonald's has a hefty customer base of low-wage earners.
A universal increase in minimum wage might just result in an increased demand for sloppy cheeseburgers and soggy fries.Love your enemies!
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Jon Inactive Member |
Jon writes: Each step in the production process of a finished good or service presumably adds some value to the good or service. Not in utility terms. But we're not talking about utility termsat least we shouldn't be. What matters is selling price; selling price is the benefit to the company of producing some good/service; it is the 'value' as considered by the company.
quote: I've said this in another thread; and while it's all good and true it is also completely irrelevant here.
Jon writes: Each step is also presumably essential. All essential steps are required to derive any value at all in terms of utility from the good or service. To derive utility, yes, but not to derive a selling price. Let's consider a very simple example: A man purchases a block of wood for $10. He then asks someone with a hammer and chisel to shape the block of wood into a carving that sells for $50. The value our wood carver adds to the product is $40the selling price of the output minus the selling price (cost) of the input. What utility he adds is, of course, irrelevant; the benefit he provides for the original purchaserhis 'value' to the purchaserof the block of wood is the increased selling price he creates by reshaping the wood.
What is the ‘real value’ to the business of the labour that is being withheld by the striking workers? Who cares? Businesses don't exist to create 'real value'. They exist to make money. A business without any income that produces the cure for cancer will fail; a business with positive net income that produces condiment-sized packets of airworthless crapwill succeed. The 'real value' of the good/service being produced is irrelevant to the company in determining whether additional inputs (which is what labor is) are justified by their contribution to overall income.
The book in the example above can be said to have utility worth of $100,000.00 not because the author, the book binder, the printer, the bookshop owner etc. etc. etc. each added a calculable percentage that adds up to 100. That isn't how utility works. Again, who cares? We aren't interested in utility to the consumer. We are interested in the selling price of the final productthe benefit to the company.
What is the ‘real value’ to the business of the labour that is being withheld by the striking workers? No one cares about 'real value'. We are talking about money and only money.Love your enemies!
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Jon Inactive Member |
You're wrong. The value in terms of utility is irrelevant to the company. The only thing that matters labor-wise is the selling price of their goods/services with labor versus without it.
Companies don't ultimately care about the utility of their products. Companies don't ultimately care about the economic benefit they offer the world. Companies only care about income and expense. The expense of labor must be justified by the creation of income.Love your enemies!
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Jon Inactive Member |
Where's your position on all this?
Do companies ever consider the revenue generating capacity of a particular job compared to the market rate for that job when deciding whether to fill it or not? Edited by Jon, : No reason given.Love your enemies!
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Jon Inactive Member |
But I'm not asking you about all that.
I'm just asking you whether you think companies ever consider the revenue generating capacity of a particular job compared to the market rate for that job when deciding whether to fill it or not. Do they? Don't they?Love your enemies!
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Jon Inactive Member |
I'm not talking about deciding wages. I'm talking about deciding whether to fill a position or not.
Do companies ever consider a job's impact on revenue when making this decision?Love your enemies!
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Jon Inactive Member |
What a ridiculous and simplistically stupid article. Government finance is much more than just taking from one person to give to another. And anyone basing their understanding of government spending on a line-dancing video is obviously coming up short on real evidence to support their position. So again... Love your enemies!
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Jon Inactive Member |
Try not paying taxes and see what happens. How about you just tell us. And we'll tell you if you're making it up or not.Love your enemies!
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Jon Inactive Member
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Whatever are we to do? Cut CEO pay and stop pretending like the cost burden of running a society must always fall on the backs of the lowest-paid, hardest-working citizens. Unless we actually address the real problem with the economy, nothing will get better in the end.
Those who have more will have to accept less, Of course not, because what they rape from the American people in terms of low wages they will simply rape from the American people in terms of high prices. As long as raping is legal, raping will continue to happen. Edited by Jon, : No reason given.Love your enemies!
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Jon Inactive Member |
If the market rate for certain types of labour doesn't supply a living wage should the state effectively subsidise those industries which rely on that labour by providing their employees with the shortfall? That's how it works now. But it could be different.
Should our taxes subsidise the employment costs of McDonalds Corp or Walmart or whoever because 'the market rate' they pay the employees on which their business depends is too low for those employees to actually live on? The present system is something like this. But it could be different.Love your enemies!
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