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Greatest I am
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Message 1 of 52 (704876)
08-19-2013 3:57 PM


Is the Bible the WORD of God or the WORD of Satan?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9c0RFxXrYzg&feature=related
Whenever we read the obscene stories, the voluptuous debaucheries, the cruel and tortuous executions, the unrelenting vindictiveness with which more than half the Bible is filled, it would be more consistent that we call it the word of a demon than the word of God. It is a history of wickedness that has served to corrupt and brutalize mankind; and, for my part, I sincerely detest it, as I detest everything that is cruel. [Thomas Paine, The Age of Reason]
As to the book called the bible, it is blasphemy to call it the Word of God. It is a book of lies and contradictions and a history of bad times and bad men. [Thomas Paine, writing to Andrew Dean August 15, 1806]
The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully.
Richard Dawkins, The God Delusion
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Many intelligent men have condemned the Bible and it’s God as completely immoral. Be they from ancient days or more modern times, the morality of God has been rejected by moral men and legislators of the laws we mostly all live under. Never has biblical laws and commandments been shown desirable for most of us to live under.
Christians tend not to like to discuss the morals taught by the Bible. The fact that Christians do not promote their laws over secular law indicate that they are aware of the immoral nature of their genocidal son murdering God and the draconian laws that Christians would put in place.
Satan is said to be able to deceive the whole world with his God given power and dogma says that he has dominion over the earth. Most believers say that the bible is the word of God even though it shows God in a less than favorable light even when compared to Satan. Even Christians admit this and when they do they fall back on their standard excuse of God being able and justified in doing whatever he likes to us, moral or not, because he owns us. That is a cop out to my way of thinking.
Satan has the power to deceive the whole world.
Is the WORD of God, --- because of the fact that it shows God to be more Satanic-like than God-like, --- really the WORD of Satan and not of God?
Regards
DL
P. S. A quick summery of how Jesus was made into the WORD by men.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6AfFcAmx-Ro&feature=relmfu

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Message 10 of 52 (705162)
08-23-2013 4:51 PM
Reply to: Message 3 by Phat
08-19-2013 5:25 PM


Re: Heretics and Heresies
Thugpreacha
I think that the bible is a plagiarized consolidation of many of the older traditions of that day. Nothing much in it is original. I think Rome created the N T.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJgvws0ZYUE
As for the O. T. I think it was born in Egypt and Sumer.
2007-Doc Zone - Pagan Christ 1 of 3 - Vido Dailymotion
Perhaps Satan has hijacked your way of thinking....ever consider that?
How could I tell during my apotheosis if it was Satan or God?
Dogma says that Satan has his God given power to deceive us all and God himself adds even more deception to the mix.
Now, therefore, behold, the Lord hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of these thy prophets, and the Lord hath spoken evil concerning thee.
1Kings 22:23
Now therefore, behold, the Lord hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of these thy prophets.
2 Chron 18:22
Ah, Lord GOD! surely thou hast greatly deceived this people.
Jer 4:10
O Lord, thou hast deceived me, and I was deceived. Jer 20:7
And if a prophet be deceived when he hath spoken a thing, I the Lord have deceived that prophet.
Ezekiel 14:9
For this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie.
Thessalonians 2:11
To me, God’s worse lie was to Adam and Eve. He told them they could eat of the tree of life and then reneged and in a real sense murdered them by denying them a remedy.
All I can do is go with morals and hope for the best.
Regards
DL

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Message 11 of 52 (705163)
08-23-2013 4:56 PM
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08-19-2013 5:53 PM


Re: The Bible is neither the word of God or Satan.
jar
I agree.
Was it moral men or something else?
Regards
DL

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Message 12 of 52 (705164)
08-23-2013 4:58 PM
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08-20-2013 8:11 AM


Percy
Moral men or something else?
Regards
DL

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Message 17 of 52 (705205)
08-24-2013 4:09 PM
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08-23-2013 5:22 PM


Re: The Bible is neither the word of God or Satan.
jar
I was thinking of men with an agenda of some sort.
The kind of thing this gent speaks of.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJgvws0ZYUE
Regards
DL

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Message 18 of 52 (705206)
08-24-2013 4:13 PM
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08-23-2013 9:46 PM


Re: Heretics and Heresies
arachnophilia
Yes. It is hard to know exactly what adjective to put to this kind of copying.
But many go back to Egypt and Sumer.
This is the latest I have read.
2007-Doc Zone - Pagan Christ 1 of 3 - Vido Dailymotion
Regards
DL

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Message 19 of 52 (705207)
08-24-2013 4:14 PM
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08-24-2013 8:49 AM


Percy
Why would moral men write up God to be such an immoral prick as compared to Satan?
Regards
DL

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Message 21 of 52 (705210)
08-24-2013 4:23 PM
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08-24-2013 11:08 AM


Re: The Bible is neither the word of God or Satan.
kofh2u
I don't know what to say to all this.
What you call the unconscious mind I call a cosmic consciousness. I do not like universal consciousness.
From what you say, I was with it the one time. It was not pleasant but I would not change a thing.
Lend me your ear for a moment.
The Godhead I know in a nutshell.
I was a skeptic till the age of 39.
I then had an apotheosis and later branded myself an esoteric ecumenist and Gnostic Christian. Gnostic Christian because I exemplify this quote from William Blake.
Both read the Bible day and night, But thou read'st black where I read white.
This refers to how Gnostics tend to reverse, for moral reasons, what Christians see in the Bible. We tend to recognize the evil ways of O T God where literal Christians will see God’s killing as good. Christians are sheep where Gnostic Christians are goats.
This is perhaps why we see the use of a Jesus scapegoat as immoral, while theists like to make Jesus their beast of burden. An immoral position.
During my apotheosis, something that only lasted 5 or 6 seconds, the only things of note to happen was that my paradigm of reality was confirmed and I was chastised to think more demographically. What I found was what I call a cosmic consciousness. Not a new term but one that is a close but not exact fit.
I recognize that I have no proof. That is always the way with apotheosis.
This is also why I prefer to stick to issues of morality because no one has yet been able to prove that God is real and I have no more proof than they for the cosmic consciousness.
The cosmic consciousness is not a miracle working God. He does not interfere with us save when one of us finds it. Not a common thing from what I can see. It is a part of nature and our next evolutionary step.
I tend to have more in common with atheists who ignore what they see as my delusion because our morals are basically identical. Theist tend not to like me much as I have no respect for literalists and fundamentals and think that most Christians have tribal mentalities and poor morals.
I am rather between a rock and a hard place but this I cannot help.
I am happy to be questioned on what I believe but whether or not God exists is basically irrelevant to this world for all that he does not do, and I prefer to thrash out moral issues that can actually find an end point. The search for God is never ending when you are of the Gnostic persuasion. My apotheosis basically says that I am to discard whatever God I found, God as a set of rules that is, not idol worship it but instead, raise my bar and seek further.
My apotheosis also showed me that God has no need for love, adoration or obedience. He has no needs. Man has dominion here on earth and is to be and is the supreme being.
I don't know if you care to comment.
Regards
DL

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Message 22 of 52 (705211)
08-24-2013 4:24 PM
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08-24-2013 4:19 PM


Re: The Bible is neither the word of God or Satan.
Jar
If 6 min or less is too much for you.
Regards
DL

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Message 25 of 52 (705242)
08-25-2013 11:09 AM
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08-24-2013 4:45 PM


Percy
I agree but that does not answer the question.
After counting the bodies, how can you say that both Satan and God are both shown in an unfavorable light?
Does one not seem less moral than the other to you?
Regards
DL

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Message 27 of 52 (705247)
08-25-2013 12:45 PM
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08-25-2013 11:19 AM


After counting the bodies? Are you seriously claiming that the one with the fewer murders is being portrayed favorably?
The opposite actually.
Anyway, it requires no inventory to know that the Bible recounts many more murders on God's behalf than Satan's.
Exactly yet Satan is depicted as the evil one.
Who do you think is more evil?
What's this got to do with Biblical authorship?
If it is a total lie and giving divinity to the evil instead of the good then it could be Satan's authorship.
Regards
DL
Edited by Greatest I am, : No reason given.
Edited by Admin, : Fix quotes.

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Message 30 of 52 (705338)
08-26-2013 10:09 AM
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08-26-2013 3:07 AM


Re: Plause and Minus
Thugpreacha
If inconceivable, it may be because of Satanic influence as he is the deceiver.
If you are a believer that is.
Regards
DL

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