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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
That is why I included other examples.
For example; " But the scientific method is totally useless and worthless to test whether or not those stories worked to help create a peoples or culture." So we can use the scientific method to see if such things actually happened. To see if they worked to help build a peoples or culture you ask a Rabbi.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
But ther study of "peoples or culture" falls under anthropology, archaeology, sociology and suchlike. To say that the application of scientific methods is inappropriate or "totally useless" to these areas is patently false. I'm aware that is what you believe.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Once again, asked and answered.
It is immaterial whether or not the examples I mentioned were factually correct (I keep pointing out to you that "true" is pretty meaningless in many cases), it is whether or not a Rabbi believes they helped create a people, a culture. You seem hung up on the meaningless trivialities.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Yes, true or false are irrelevant as I pointed out when dealing with things that are both true and false.
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Again, I have already pointed that out way back in Message 73 as you know.
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
And again, that too was asked and answered in [mid-709952] as well as others.
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Too funny and you even quoted the question that I HAVE answered many times in this thread while misrepresenting what I have done.
here is your question and my answers yet again.
Straggler writes: If one wants to believe things that are likely to be true how does one decide which parts of the bible are helpful and which are a hindrance? Things can be both true and not true, factually false yet practically true. And you decide which parts of the bible are helpful and which are a hindrance the same way you decide whether anything is helpful or a hindrance.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
And true is not synonymous with correct or wrong.
No one cares whether or not you believe in god. That is really irrelevant. Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Straggler writes: Well you've made your distinction and we all seem to agree (even jar eventually) that the reasons people adopt a belief in gravity aren't the same as the reasons people adopt a belief in God. Why must you continue to misrepresent my position. You have never asked me about how one adopts a belief in God and I have always said that the reasons and methods people adopt a belief in god are not the same as for gravity. Have you no honesty or morality?Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Yes, lots of parts about god. But again as I have pointed out to you repeatedly, you use tools and methods appropriate to the specific question.
No when it comes to whether you should believe in god or not, no one really gives a damn. If you wish to believe there is no god then fine.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
As I think I have stipulated a number of times - The aim is to believe things that are likely to be true. Is this not an aim you also share? I think it is a pitiful sophomoric question. "True" often has very little meaning as I have pointed out to yo several times in this very thread. There are things that are true and false at the same time and things where it is totally irrelevant whether they are true and false.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Straggler writes: Well of course you do. Because any assessment of theistic positions which involves determining their veracity causes them to unravel or retreat into ambiguity. Once again, you simply misrepresent my position and quote mine; as usual it seems. There are things which can be tested using the scientific method and things only a fool, charlatan or con-man would test using the scientific method. I have repeatedly said one should use appropriate methods and even provided you with examples.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Feel free to continue mak9ing a fool of yourself. I have no problem with that.
Straggler writes: If you want me to link to previous arguments of yours where you state belief in a concept you call GOD but which is completely devoid of definition or attribute (a conceptless concept if you will) - Then I can. As totally irrelevant as that is, please do so if it makes you happy. I've explained that to you before but have no problem explaining yet again. As I said the the very post you are replying to, "There are things which can be tested using the scientific method and things only a fool, charlatan or con-man would test using the scientific method." Only a fool, a charlatan or con-man would think the scientific method would be of any value or worth in examining the Super Natural.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
So is that when we would deploy your 'ask a Rabbi' methodology? Or did you have a different method in mind?
Again, asked and answered over and over and over. I know of no possible way you could test a real GOD.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
You are welcome to that belief.
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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