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Dr Adequate
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Message 4 of 114 (718249)
02-05-2014 7:24 PM
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02-05-2014 6:46 PM


Darwin predicted that around about now "At some future period, not very distant, as measured by centuries, the civilised races of man will almost certainly (almost certainly, a favourite evolutionist interpretation of a proven fact) exterminate and replace throughout the world, the savage races"
His gloomy prediction, though not entirely accurate, was not far off, was it? Do you deny that many nations (for example, of Native Americans) were in fact wiped out?
In 1779, George Washington instructed Major General John Sullivan to attack Iroquois people. Washington stated, "lay waste all the settlements around...that the country may not be merely overrun, but destroyed". In the course of the carnage and annihilation of Indian people, Washington also instructed his general not "listen to any overture of peace before the total ruin of their settlements is effected". (Stannard, David E. AMERICAN HOLOCAUST. New York: Oxford University Press, 1992. pp. 118-121.)
In 1807, Thomas Jefferson instructed his War Department that, should any Indians resist against America stealing Indian lands, the Indian resistance must be met with "the hatchet". Jefferson continued, "And...if ever we are constrained to lift the hatchet against any tribe, " he wrote, "we will never lay it down till that tribe is exterminated, or is driven beyond the Mississippi." Jefferson, the slave owner, continued, "in war, they will kill some of us; we shall destroy all of them". (Ibid)
In 1812, Jefferson said that American was obliged to push the backward Indians "with the beasts of the forests into the Stony Mountains". One year later Jefferson continued anti-Indian statements by adding that America must "pursue [the Indians] to extermination, or drive them to new seats beyond our reach". (Ibid)
If you had been living in Darwin's time, how much would you have bet on the whites restraining themselves from total extermination?
Rather non PC but since it's science might I ask how potentially modern day members of the savage races who survived Darwin's fascist racist blatherings particularly evolutionists, feel about this?
I guess they're glad that for once he wasn't completely right.
It is not clear why you call him a "fascist racist". Unlike America's founding fathers, he didn't order the extermination or so much as hint that it would be a good thing. He merely said that he saw it coming.
Further more might I ask why musings like this are not equally mocked as wistful fables?
"For my own part I would soon be descended from that heroic little monkey who braved his dreaded enemy to save the life of his keeper, or that old baboon, who, descending the mountains, carried away in triumph his young comrade from a crowd of astonished dogs - as from a savage... "
Er ... the absence of any remotely fabulous quality?
Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 33 of 114 (718287)
02-05-2014 11:35 PM
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02-05-2014 8:21 PM


Hitler allegedly was a big fan of Darwin's clearly racist views in that he was able to "scientifically supported" exterminate the "sub human" Jew in the aid of furthering evolution with the full support of Darwin's "science".
That is indeed "alleged". Specifically, it's alleged by two kinds of people: liars and their dupes. I shall do you the courtesy of supposing that you are the latter, and ask you why you didn't bother to find out if the allegation was true or not before repeating it.
I seem to remember something in the Bible about not bearing false witness.

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Message 34 of 114 (718288)
02-05-2014 11:37 PM
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02-05-2014 8:05 PM


Re: Darwin was racist...
Most evolutionists seem to have serious issues with the character of God, why not the character of a man who belived half of us to be savages worthy of extinction?
Do you have any evidence for your fantasies about what Darwin thought?

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Message 37 of 114 (718291)
02-05-2014 11:41 PM
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02-05-2014 8:21 PM


Hitler allegedly was a big fan of Darwin's clearly racist views in that he was able to "scientifically supported" exterminate the "sub human" Jew in the aid of furthering evolution with the full support of Darwin's "science".
My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter.
In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was his fight against the Jewish poison. Today, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed his blood upon the Cross.
--- Adolf Hitler, My New Order
Perhaps you could find a quote with him saying something about Darwin. No?

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Message 38 of 114 (718292)
02-05-2014 11:42 PM
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02-05-2014 11:41 PM


Re: Darwin was racist...
I have his quotes.
But those do not support your fantasies. That's why I asked.

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Message 41 of 114 (718295)
02-05-2014 11:48 PM
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02-05-2014 11:40 PM


Re: More "savage"
Then you will also know the fossil record and lack of any evolving inter species type fossils would have woken any thinking humanoid by now
The crowning achievement of paleontology has been the demonstration, from the history of life, of the validity of the evolutionary theory [...] The fossil record contains many well-documented examples of the transition from one species into another, as well as the origin of new physical features. --- American Geological Institute.
Evolution is both a scientific fact and a scientific theory. Evolution is a fact in the sense that life has changed through time. In nature today, the characteristics of species are changing, and new species are arising. The fossil record is the primary factual evidence for evolution in times past, and evolution is well documented by further evidence from other scientific disciplines, including comparative anatomy, biogeography, genetics, molecular biology, and studies of viral and bacterial diseases. --- The Paleontological Society
The fossil record of vertebrates unequivocally supports the hypothesis that vertebrates have evolved through time, from their first records in the early Paleozoic Era about 500 million years ago to the great diversity we see in the world today. The hypothesis has been strengthened by so many independent observations of fossil sequences that it has come to be regarded as a confirmed fact, as certain as the drift of continents through time or the lawful operation of gravity. --- Society of Vertebrate Paleontology
This is too easy, are you by any chance related to a fish in a barrel?

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Dr Adequate
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Message 44 of 114 (718298)
02-05-2014 11:56 PM
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02-05-2014 11:50 PM


Re: More "savage"
Twenty years study and proof to show beyond cavil that evolution theory is not science. All the known and observed evidence on the planets and the earth refutes evolution.
And yet apparently this thread was the best you could come up with --- the thing you decided to lead with on joining this forum.
Well, dear Jaf, if this is your strongest suit, I think you overestimate yourself when you claim to have proof "beyond cavil". I think people will cavil. Some of them may go so far as to laugh.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 48 of 114 (718304)
02-06-2014 12:07 AM
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02-05-2014 11:57 PM


Re: More "savage"
If it's easy, where are the interspecies fossils?
As you'd know if you read the quotes (remember how you like quotes?) they are found in the fossil record. Then when paleontologists have found them, they put them in museums and universities.
You'd think with all that studying you'd know that, but I am of course happy to fill in lacunae in your knowledge. Though not all of them, I have but one life to live.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 49 of 114 (718306)
02-06-2014 12:21 AM
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02-05-2014 11:58 PM


Re: More "savage"
What else is new? Yes aborigines and blacks. Thank you.
That was a bizarre non sequitur. Tell, me, when you typed it, did you have the impression that it was a reply to my post, or were those just the first words that came at random into your head?

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Dr Adequate
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Message 51 of 114 (718308)
02-06-2014 12:25 AM
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02-06-2014 12:23 AM


Re: More "savage"
Incorrect. They're are none.
Hmm, who to believe about fossils, you or all the paleontologists in the world? Well, they spend their professional lives looking at fossils, and you ... well, you don't, and also you've been wrong a lot lately.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 56 of 114 (718334)
02-06-2014 8:42 AM
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02-06-2014 3:06 AM


Re: More "savage"
Don't trust anyone. Show me evidence of a transitional fossil proving the whacky theory of evolution, you should if it where true have millions and yet you have None. Lunacy the whole idea is a luciferian Freemason hoax.
Ooh, paranoia! I like the luciferian Freemasons, that's good. Incidentally, are you a joke, a spoof, someone pretending to be a nutty creationist?
Anyway, here's some photos.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 57 of 114 (718335)
02-06-2014 8:46 AM
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02-06-2014 3:24 AM


Re: Darwin was racist...
No Darwin no Hitler. It's that simple.
That thing you've made up in your head is simple.
Would you like to pretend that there's some evidence for it, or is bald assertion your best shot?

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Dr Adequate
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Message 58 of 114 (718337)
02-06-2014 8:49 AM
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02-06-2014 2:13 AM


Re: More "savage"
Indeed I did, your colleague assisted me very appropriately don't you think kind of like a neat little divine plan coming together even?
Er, no, that's not what I think. What I was thinking then, and am thinking now, is "What the heck is Jaf talking about? Has he gone nuts?"
Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 64 of 114 (718444)
02-06-2014 4:53 PM
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02-06-2014 4:39 PM


Re: More "savage"
HAvent you decided that all creationists are spoofs and jokes egardless go what they say. Are these pictures a joke as evidence, please name the items and their location and show how they are deemed to be transitional species, you thought this was so easy huh.
The moderators have asked us to stay on topic; if you wish to display your grotesque ignorance of the fossil record you'll have to do it on another thread.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 75 of 114 (718464)
02-06-2014 6:45 PM
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02-06-2014 5:28 PM


Re: More "savage"
They may have asked you to stay on topic, how about you do that?
I think when AdminModulous said "everybody" he was including you. But perhaps your unique powers of reasoning give you a different take on this.

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