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Pressie Member Posts: 2103 From: Pretoria, SA Joined:
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Faith writes: Actually, we can study those rocks. They're there. We can get their ages. We get their exact ages. I'm sure you can tell what age has been assigned by the theory to that rock, that I don't doubt, but its actual age, no. What you, Faith, think about those rocks really, really is of no interest to humanity. At all. What is of interest is what sane people can determine. Edited by Pressie, : No reason given.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
You can say it all you want, but if you are wrong about the exact age, and you must be, you'll never know it, will you?
And thanks much for the insult. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Pressie Member Posts: 2103 From: Pretoria, SA Joined: |
Faith writes: We sure will know. Been there, done it. Lots of different and divergent methods to determine ages. And they all converge to the same age in the case of the Clarens.
You can say it all you want, but if you are wrong about the exact age, and you must be, you'll never know it, will you? Faith writes: It's not an insult. It's just describing reality.
And thanks much for the insult.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
ABE: Thanks again for the insult. If I didn't get insults at EvC I'd feel I wasn't doing my job.
We sure will know. Been there, done it. Lots of different and divergent methods to determine ages. And they all converge to the same age in the case of the Clarens. /ABE. Listen, I really would like to see your knowledge of the Clarens Formation discussed here, really really would. If you think you can prove that the age of the rocks makes a difference in what you did there please present your argument. ABE: Just stating it doesn't make the argument, but I'm sure there IS an argument to be made and I'd really like to see it. ABE: If I may say so, I'd guess that you aren't the most articulate soul around so if you need help from some of the other geologists here to get your case across I'm sure they'd be willing to help. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Percy Member Posts: 22505 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.4
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Faith writes: You can say it all you want, but if you are wrong about the exact age, and you must be, you'll never know it, will you? Faith, you're again using content-free arguments. This rebuttal you're using can be made about anything. You could say the same thing to a heliocentrist and it would make as much sense: "You can say the Earth orbits the sun all you want, but if you are wrong about the that, and you must be, you'll never know it, will you?" That you're unpersuaded of an old Earth by the evidence simply puts you in the same category as geocentrists and flat-Earthers who are equally unpersuaded by the evidence. That such people as yourself exist has no bearing whatsoever on the facts, which also exist and are all against you. I would propose this rule of debate: If you have nothing to say, don't say anything. --Percy
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2136 days) Posts: 6117 Joined:
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Some of the posts above reminded me of a short essay I saw on another website some years ago. I managed to track it down.
It doesn't describe the situation here exactly, but I submit the overall flavor is remarkably fitting. In the history of the world, only a tiny fraction of all the people who ever lived have had the opportunity to ask highly qualified scientists direct questions, and learn from their wisdom. Happily, because of the internet..., it is now possible for people from all walks of life to converse directly with all sorts of scientific experts; we have physicists, microbiologists, mathematicians, astronomers, and chemists, to specify but a few, roaming these threads, and eager to explain what they know and how they know it to virtually anyone willing to ask an intelligent question. Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1 "Multiculturalism" does not include the American culture. That is what it is against.
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Faith writes:
Yes, we know your full-time job is martyrdom.
If I didn't get insults at EvC I'd feel I wasn't doing my job.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1435 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
... 1720th ... by our ability to understand Rebel American Zen Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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Taq Member Posts: 10085 Joined: Member Rating: 5.6 |
Thanks again for the insult. If I didn't get insults at EvC I'd feel I wasn't doing my job. Nothing like saying something stupid, and then claiming persecution because someone points out how stupid your statements are.
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2136 days) Posts: 6117 Joined:
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... 1720th ... Yes. Exactly! On that other website we were informed by a creationist that those were the exact odds against evolution being possible. That illustrates very clearly why those who know nothing about science should not seek to lecture those who do as to how science should be done.Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1 "Multiculturalism" does not include the American culture. That is what it is against.
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roxrkool Member (Idle past 1019 days) Posts: 1497 From: Nevada Joined: |
The applicability of geology to real world problems is what Coragyps is trying to illustrate with his thread on oil geology. But as those of us who work in the fields of applied geologic science know, it's not an easy topic to tackle in a forum.
Like you, I'm also in mining and understanding ore deposits through time is crucial to finding more in the future. I would love to put together a post on the spatial-temporal evolution/distribution of various ore deposits, but I simply don't have the time. Things like BIFs, Archean Gold, Greenstone belts, Komatiites, Witwatersrand, VMS, ore-lineament associations, etc. Despite what many Creationists believe, I don't get paid to disprove flood geology.
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2136 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
Despite what many Creationists believe, I don't get paid to disprove flood geology. Nobody gets paid for that. There's no need. For over 200 years that's just where all the evidence has been pointing! Why should anyone get paid for doing what's happening anyway!!??? But you can see why creationists are so paranoid. The worm turned a couple of hundred years ago and they've been on the wrong side of the evidence ever since. But they can't accept the evidence; they just have to make up increasingly futile excuses for why it is all against them.Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1 "Multiculturalism" does not include the American culture. That is what it is against.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 314 days) Posts: 16113 Joined:
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Yes, we know your full-time job is martyrdom. The pay is dreadful but the benefits are out of this world.
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Pressie Member Posts: 2103 From: Pretoria, SA Joined: |
roxrkool, I'm looking forward to that thread on oil geology, as I know virtually nothing about it.
I do realise that it will be a hard and very time consuming (without pay!) topic to do, as it will have to start from the basics. It would really be very difficult to summarise the work of thousands of the oil specialists, for over a century, in one thread. Good luck to Coragyps. Edited by Pressie, : No reason given.
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