Register | Sign In


Understanding through Discussion


EvC Forum active members: 64 (9164 total)
6 online now:
Newest Member: ChatGPT
Post Volume: Total: 916,901 Year: 4,158/9,624 Month: 1,029/974 Week: 356/286 Day: 12/65 Hour: 1/2


Thread  Details

Email This Thread
Newer Topic | Older Topic
  
Author Topic:   The Concept of God -- Need Logic Help
mike the wiz
Member
Posts: 4755
From: u.k
Joined: 05-24-2003


(2)
Message 31 of 81 (729745)
06-18-2014 5:26 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Prince Thrash
06-20-2010 7:17 PM


This is the entirety of what I have to say, in this message. My motive is to provoke thought, so attempts to refute me are inappropriate, since I am just giving thought-provoking information. Don't then be opportunistic, because you are many voices, and I am one. Don't shoot me down because I am walking away with my back to you.
I think you've gone OMNI-crazy, Prince Thrash. That is to say, putting the word, "all" in front of anything.
People have a tendency to let modern definitions that come from human reason "take over" the issue. But what is actually originally meant in scripture, is what actually matters most.
C.S. Lewis said;
If God can do anything, then can He make a being more powerful than Himself? (Omnipotence) - creation.com
C.S. Lewis writes:
All agents’ here includes God Himself. His Omnipotence means power to do all that is intrinsically possible, not to do the intrinsically impossible. You may attribute miracles to Him, but not nonsense. This is no limit to His power. If you choose to say ‘God can give a creature free will and at the same time withhold free will from it’, you have not succeeded in saying anything about God: meaningless combinations of words do not suddenly acquire meaning simply because we prefix them with the two other words ‘God can’.
I would go further and say that, the "omni" term is being used, generally in a glib way, generally speaking, by non-believers. They want to put the word before everything. God is supposed to be the epitomy of everything that has value, and He is, but the term, "omni" can't always be applied.
For example the bible never mentions anything about an "all-benevolent God" or an, "all-loving" God. Those terms tend to come from non-believers most of the time, because naturally human reason makes them come up with those types of terms, when they get to think about it.
Here is my blog entry on this issue;
Creation and evolution views
Within the link to the Creation (CMI) article, there is another link given, written by Andrew Kulikovsky, about the omni-terms that we would attempt to validly apply to God, in some manner.
To quote Kulikovsky;
Kulikovsky writes:
Probably the most well known of God’s incommunicable attributes are what have become
known as the omni attributes — omnipotence, omniscience, and omnipresence. However,
none of these words are actually mentioned in the scriptures, but are in fact Latin derivatives
used to identify the theological constructs pertaining to God’s power, knowledge and
presence.
It is because of this that these attributes of God have been misunderstood by many people —
both Christians and non-Christians. People’s understanding of God’s power, knowledge and
presence seems to be limited to their understanding of the words omnipotence,
omniscience, and omnipresence respectively.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 1 by Prince Thrash, posted 06-20-2010 7:17 PM Prince Thrash has not replied

  
Newer Topic | Older Topic
Jump to:


Copyright 2001-2023 by EvC Forum, All Rights Reserved

™ Version 4.2
Innovative software from Qwixotic © 2024