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Author | Topic: The C.C.O.I. (Christian Cult Of Ignorance) and Willful Ignorance | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Oh brother. You must love Islam. Well, you'll probably get your chance to choose beheading or joining them before too long.
The Messiah was known to the Jews through prophecy throughout their history, they never heard of Mohammed or Allah and repudiate them to this day.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Charlemagne was the Pope's man. Romanists have done those things, yes, not Christians.
abe: Actually, the way things are going, maybe you'll have the choice of beheading or joining either Islam or Romanism. /abe What you think fulfills prophecy is worth nothing. Jesus fulfilled all the prophecies, as known to anyone who understands how to understand. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
You are missing the difference between His Name and a generic designation for gods or God. You are a human being, that's a generic designation, but that's not your name.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
God gave us His Name, it was not the invention of human beings. Period.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
The language certainly existed in Moses' time, and that's only four hundred years after Abraham. I have to assume you're believing the usual liberal distortions. But it doesn't matter, language is not a barrier, God can give His name in any language and expect it to be transmitted into others.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined:
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What a bunch of revisionist hooha! The gospels certainly preceded 70 AD because the temple was still standing. It continued to stand throughout Acts and possibly all the Epistles for that matter, up to Revelation anyway. There isn't the slightest resemblance between Christianity and the mystery religions, it's Jewish to the core. The gospel writers WERE eyewitnesses to Jesus. They recognized His fulfillment of the Hebrew prophecies. You have to turn everything into a lie to believe such garbage as you believe. But the whole world is going toward the Big Lie. However, the simple truth is still accessible in the Bible for anybody who has a simple honest heart.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
You need to provide evidence for their supposed writing before 70 AD. The only mention of the temple in the gospels is Jesus' prophecy of its being destroyed while in its presence. There's your evidence that it was still standing. And the evidence for their being eyewitnesses is that they say they were, and they say it in a way that is believable to any honest reader. You accuse these simple honest men of being liars. The evidence for Jesus Christ is the testimonies of the writers of the Bible and the fact that it spread by word of mouth from Jerusalem to thousands and then millions of people and that people were willing to die horrendous deaths instead of denying it. It takes incredible arrogance to dismiss all that history.
I am not going to get into this argument further. As I said, the Bible is for simple honest hearts, it's to be read and believed, not torn apart by sophists and "scholars." "Repent and believe," that's its message ABE: Not going to waste a post to answer you, jar. See my message here for an answer to your question, where it starts "Luke got his knowledge...."So I overgeneralized, so what. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined:
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The evidence is internal to the scriptures themselves, we are told to believe. Take it or leave it. What you say you "know3" you do not know at all, higher criticism is often nothing more than the subjective ponderings of the critics. That sort of textual criticism is revisionist and full of lies, but you choose to believe it over the simple straightforward trustworthy honest testimony of the gospels themselves. You destroy your own ability to understand and believe. They did not have multiple authors. The author may have made use of other texts but there were not multiple authors of any given writing. Paul's writings are Paul's writings, no forgeries. Who exactly are you trusting? Certainly nobody you should be trusting.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I don't assume anything, I see that the only mention of the temple is when Jesus is pointing to it and telling the disciples it will be destroyed, and this is also what all the theologians say, the trustworthy ones.
The writers are honest and believable, if you can't see it nobody is going to be able to make you see it. Simple honest hearts believe it and cherish it, they don't claim to understand all of it.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Just read it and believe it. That's the only way you'll get the answers to your questions.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
There's not much if anything to believe in other religions, it's mostly precepts and instructions to obey. The Bible is unique for being an historical account of the dealings of the true God with humanity, that's why it is to be believed.
The concept of "faith" really has nothing to do with any religion but Christianity. Others have simply appropriated it. But Christians truly do live by faith. So: read it and believe it. It could change your life. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Such as:
Belief that all the miracles really occurred as reported in the Bible so that you canBelieve that it is really God who is behind them Believe that He is real and that He cares about humanity Believe that He inspired prophecies of things to come Believe that He promised to send a savior from our sins And that we need a savior because we're all sinners thanks to our father Adam's original sin of disobedience Believe that the prophecies of the savior have been fulfilled Believe that some prophecies of times of great evil and the return of Christ are not yet fulfilled but will be Have faith in the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ to pay for your sins. Have faith that you receive eternal life by faith in Christ Have faith that God will fulfill all prophecies and promises. If you believe the "scholars" who claim these things never happened you destroy all possibility of faith. Which is fine with some I suppose. Jesus said Repent and believe. That's all we're supposed to do. If you think there are contradictons you can't believe, which is a tragedy. Just read it and believe. That's all there is to say. If you believe the debunkers you're lost. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Repent and believe, you can't do the rest until after that.
Mark 1:14-15 Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Read it and believe it is what I'm saying. You have to repent and believe, those were the first words of Jesus. There's a lot to the Bible to obey but you start with Repent and believe. Read it and believe it, that's my message. I refuse to get dragged off the message.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
You really ought to listen to some orthodox traditional Protestant preachers some time. Everything you say in this post is wrong, especially your misreading of what it means to judge another.
I just want to answer the one complaint you make about the ceremonial law: Jesus fulfilled ALL the laws of the Old Testament and all of them stopped operating for believers except the moral law because that is of the very nature of God Himself. Scripture tells us that Jesus abolished the law that had formed a barrier between Jew and Gentile:
For He Himself is our peace, who made both groups into one, and broke down the barrier of the dividing wall, by abolishing in His flesh the enmity, which is the Law of commandments contained in ordinances, that in Himself He might make the two into one new man, thus establishing peace, (Ephesians 2:14—15) Here's an article on it. Their understanding of cleanness such as clean foods required them not to associate with Gentiles. That was broken by Christ. Try reading the Bible with a simple honest heart instead of imposing your own ideas on it. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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