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Sorry, got no time for videos.But that is still irrelevant and your premises have been shown to be falsified.Since there are Muslims and Christians that do not oppress gays or women then the books themselves cannot be the problem. Since there are Christian churches that do not oppress gays or women then Christianity is not the problem.Reality cannot be condensed to fit on a bumper-sticker or in a YouTube video.The enemy is neither the Qur'an or the Bible but ratrher ignorance and that is not limited to the religious.

Yet more falsehoods and misrepresentation from you. No where have I suggested doing nothing; what I have suggested is stop stop making really stupid suggestions that have been proven to be wrong.The enemy is not the Bible or the Qur'an but rather education and our failure to teach people how to think and simplistic thinking like "our real enemies are the Qur’an and Bible."

The Qur'an is used by some Muslims to teach but there are also Muslim scientists and writers and doctors and lawyers and politicians and chefs and merchants and all of them learned from more than the Qur'an.The issue is ignorance like saying "You keep saying that education is the key while ignoring the fact that the Qur'an is what Muslims use to teach and educate" when the evidence shows that while the Qur'an or Bible might be included in someones education (I have read both and studied both) that they are not the only source of education.AbE: Also, a statement like "Jihadists must die" places the speaker squarely in the camp of really dangerous anti-social folk that need to be watched. The term "jihad" simply means the duty and struggle a Muslim must go through to maintain the religion of Islam. It does not mean to spread Islam or to attack others (a practice specifically prohibited in the Qur'an except in cases of self-defense) or to make war or any other aggressive practice. Like so many words it can have multiple meanings and how it is interpreted is a function of education. Edited by jar, : see AbE:Edited by jar, : left out "not" negation

Several points.In our Constitution Freedom of Religion is protected as a Right. That necessarily includes protecting the Christian Cult of Ignorance.Freedom of Association is also a Constitutionally protected Right. That necessarily includes the Right for the members of the Cult of Ignorance to gather and form associations and organizations.Like association, Freedom of Speech is a Constitutionally protected Right. The effects of those will hopefully become apparent after the next issue.A final and important but seldom discussed part of our Constitution is the 10^th. Amendment.

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The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

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Education is not mentioned in the Constitution and so the power to create schools and determine what will be taught in those schools devolves to the State and people.These four things mean that in the US the Cult of Ignorance folk can create avoidance schools, avoidance peer review groups, avoidance accrediting boards, avoidance colleges, avoidance radio and TV networks, avoidance web browsers where their beliefs cannot be challenged or questioned.Their Ignorance is Constitutionally protected.When behavior moves from those Constitutionally Protected areas, (a business refuses to let Blacks sit at the counter or a business refuses to bake a wedding cake for a same-sex marriage) then there can be and has been legal process to stop such behavior.But the root cause, education, is unfortunately not addressable in the US. We have few ways to control what is taught except within the Public School systems. There, time and time again the Cult of Ignorance has lost. Creationism, as one example, always loses when the Cult of Ignorance tries to force it into the Public Schools.There is no way though in the US to keep such nonsense out of the Avoidance Schools.Edited by jar, : appalin spallin

Again, you misuse the term Jihadist. You are making the same errors from ignorance that you make when referring to Muslims and Christians and the Bible and the Qur'an.The term is not monolithic. Not all people who practice Jihad do so in a violent or anti-social manner.The problem as I have pointed out is not Christianity, not Islam, not the Bible, not the Qur'an, not Jihad but education and you keep showing that you are little different then those you complain about.

More dishonesty from you. I have never even discussed changing the Qur'an but it is irrelevant anyway since not all Muslims become Jihadists and not all Jihadists interpret Jihad in any way that could possibly be considered negative.Nor is the Qur'an similar to a Constitution. Look at the Muslim nations around the world. Create two columns; in one list the Muslim nations that have a Constitution and in the other list the Muslim nations that have only the Qur'an.Do you ever get tired of always being wrong?

Moving the goal posts instead of dealing with reality. Gish Gallop. Recognize it.Whether or not a Muslim follows Sharia law has nothing to do with anyone who is not a Muslim and is not a threat to anyone. Do you even have a clue what Sharia law is or involves?Sharia law is only applicable in Nation states when it has been sanctioned.If a people wish to follow their own laws and that is the decision of the Nation where they are citizens then why should I object? I may not approve of their laws and may even disapprove of them, I may speak out against those laws and in fact even condemn those laws but other than expressing my personal opinion there is little I can do.

So once again, as with Islam and Christianity and the Bible and the Qur'an, Sharia law is not the problem.Are you beginning to see a pattern yet? It is not a matter of whether I enjoy "watching gays or fornicators get stoned to death or the fact that a woman in Saudi Arabia cannot go out without a male escort", it is a matter of my nationality. I am a US Citizen and in the US it is illegal to stone gays or fornicators and a woman can go out without a male escort.I may not approve of Saudi Arabia's laws and I can try to educate them to change their position but that is all I can do.Once again, you need to stop showing your ignorance. Nothing you have mentioned is related to the Bible, the Qur'an, Sharia law, being Christian or being Muslim.Edited by jar, : appalin spallin

And here is yet more you can learn.The Christian Cult of Ignorance like every Cult of Ignorance can only continue to exist by ignoring truth and reality, by avoiding discussion. You are of course free to simply ignore truth and reality when you are being taught but all that does is prevent you from learning.You have said that Canada does not have Sharia law yet you say there are "Honor killings there" so Sharia law is not the issue.Books are inanimate objects and so they cannot do anything so the Bible and Qur'an cannot be the enemy.The Qur'an is not a Constitution and Muslim nations do have Constitutions so to claim the Qur'an is a constitution is yet again simply a falsehood.Not all Muslims define Jihad in the negative way you portray and so Jihad is not the problem.Muslims learn from more sources than just the Qur'an as the existence of Muslim doctors, lawyers, scientists, teachers, shop keepers, financiers, politicians and all the other professions where they contribute proves.You are the only person in this thread who has said people should be killed.Ignorance, specifically in this instance, your ignorance demonstrated in this and many other threads you have started over the years is the problem and just as with all ignorance the solution is not to ignore the ignorance but rather to try to educate the ignorant.I hope this helps you and will pray and work towards your enlightenment.

All of the evidence (you do believe evidence don't you? ) says that the Bible is not the word of God but a creation of men, many men; an anthology of anthologies.In addition, if you read the Bible stories they say the God character is not Omnipotent but that really has nothing to do with the Bible or faith anyway. Have you actually read the Bible?

Do you differentiate between believe and know?How do you determine something is obviously mythological?

That's one of the really great things about the Bible, it is filled with contradictions. As early as Genesis 2 we find a God character that has limits and learn on the job by trial and error.

You have said that repeatedly. What does that even mean?

Again, what does any of that mean? How do you communicate with GOD or even have a clue that you are communicating with anyone other than yourself?

But I have never said that the Bible is a great book for seeking God and in fact have said there are so many different God characters in the Bible that it is useless as a source of knowledge about God.But you have still provided any reasoning or evidence to support your assertion that"Jihadists must die," or that the Bible and Qur'an are in anyway an enemy or could possibly be an enemy.You are of course free to dance, to try to palm the pea, to attempt to shift the goalposts and to misdirect folks attention but the fact is that everyone can see your initial assertions and in fact almost all subsequent assertions are baseless, worthless, trite and sophomoric.