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Message 3 of 38 (761504)
07-02-2015 3:30 AM

Reply to: Message 2 by vimesey
07-02-2015 2:51 AM

Vimesey writes:

wonder whether a middle ground is possible. I suspect not.

I think our system actually IS the middle ground. Our judiciary is properly independent of government and has a very intricate system of appeals that act as a back stop for the worst individual judgements and provide precedent to prevent future errors.

But it is still responsible to the people through parliament - if it changes the law, the judges are required to follow it even if they personally disagree with it.

We also have European law sat on the top of the lot - which I think is generally very good for us, tho' not without its own problems.

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Message 18 of 38 (761643)
07-03-2015 3:00 PM

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07-03-2015 2:48 PM

Jon writes:

Well, they're the same thing, so...

If you're point is that judges are appointed by people, you're correct. Otherwise you don't appear to have one.

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Message 25 of 38 (761673)
07-04-2015 3:06 AM

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07-03-2015 9:56 PM

Jon writes:

My point is that judges (the real ones, not the ones who judge talent shows) are political officials.

Then you're just plain wrong.

The world where we can separate off a portion of the government and pretend it isn't part of the government is the world where pigs fly on invisible pink unicorns.

In the UK the judiciary are completely independent of government.

The UK has a different system of filling its political positions than the US, but that doesn't mean that the positions or the process of filling them are any less political.

Aprarently it does.

Really, this shouldn't even be an argument. Why vimesey is so opposed to applying the term 'political' to his judges just baffles the hell out of me.

That would be because judges are not the political appointees of government.

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