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Jon Inactive Member |
To compare BLM to King is to really have no shame.
Aside from involving black folk, the two couldn't be more different.Love your enemies!
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Jon Inactive Member |
Wanting things doesn't improve the lives of anyone...
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Jon Inactive Member |
Breaking this off from the What's the deal with motor vehicle violations? thread:
quote: If these movements want to be taken seriously, a good place to start would be for the people involved in the police 'mistreatment' to not be criminals, thugs, or hooligans. It's hard to get anyone serious to rally behind you when you're boohooing about the police getting a little too rough or trigger-happy with a bunch of crooks and troublemakers. Interestingly, there are examples of police unprovokingly injuring, killing, or harassing completely innocent people:
quote: So why didn't an event like this prompt days' worth of protesting? Where were the marches in the street? Where were the outcries? For this poor defenseless girl, the outcries were eerily absent. Yet we can't stop hearing about gun-toting Tamir and store-burglar Brown. Black-rights activists of today seem to have the strange habit of standing up for the bad guys and ignoring the good guys. It's little wonder racial divisions are growing wider in this country. Something's gone seriously wrong with the modern civil rights movement. They seem to have lost the moral footing that is required to give legitimacy to social movements. I would imagine MLK's rolling over in his grave.Love your enemies!
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Jon Inactive Member |
The point is not that you can't or shouldn't demand rights for potential criminals; the point is that it is oddly suspect to only demand rights for those people while ignoring the rights of completely innocent twelve-year-old girls to walk outside without being beaten half to death by police who think she's a hooker despite knowing ahead of time that they were looking for white women.
The decision to protest in the names of folks such as Tamir Rice or Michael Brown while hardly having a word to say about poor Dymond Milburn speaks to the underlying values of the BLM movement: that thugs who wave guns around in a park or refuse to follow basic laws matter more than completely innocent children. The case of Dymond Milburn is such a clear example of police racism and vicious brutality, yet it is not for her sake BLM protests. Over her there is silence. But that's no surprise and is as I suspected, since it's clear to any reasonable observer that BLM is just a clever cover for hooligans and thugs, people who cannot even imagine identifying with someone like Dymond and are really only interested in protecting their own anarchist subgroup of the population who glorify lawlessness and resistance to everything decent. To try to equate or connect such people to MLK is shameful.Love your enemies!
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Jon Inactive Member |
Thus, to complain that the people being killed by the cops are "criminals, thugs, or hooligans" is to ignore the very racism that resulted in those people being "criminals, thugs, or hooligans" in the first place. Of course, blame someone else. But blaming someone else won't lower the inordinately high crime rates that plague African American communities Blaming someone else won't un-rob convenience stores; it won't un-bust up car dealerships; it won't un-wave a gun around in a public park. Racist oppression is not what is causing the high crime rate amongst African Americans. African Americans are committing more murders today than in 1975 (though it's down since a huge spike in the '80s and '90s). (Bureau of Justice Statistics pdf) In the middle of the twentieth century, African Americans made up a little less than 30% of the incarcerated population; by the turn of the 21st century the number had risen to 40%.
Decades after the Civil Rights movement and the dismantling of Jim Crow and we are still dealing with high crime and incarceration rates amongst African Americans. What's more, the racial discrimination of policing that you imply doesn't exist.
quote: Racist oppression is not what is causing the high crime rate amongst African Americans. There's something else going on; something that desperately needs to be discovered and addressed. Something that waving around sociology slogans and protesting in the streets over dead criminals won't fix.
And your invocation of MLK is very telling. I invoked nothing; I was responding to your invocation earlier in the thread. Your repeated attempts to draw a connection between BLM and MLK are not only erroneous, but sad and disgusting. The modern civil rights movement is failing the black folks it is meant to help, and black leaders and those in a position to do something about it need to have the courage to admit this.Love your enemies!
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Jon Inactive Member |
Of course, blame the victim. You'll note, and the record proves, that I didn't blame anyone. The only one interested in passing around blame instead of solving problems is you.
The claim isn't that the raw numbers of blacks killed by police is larger than whites but that a black person is more likely to be killed by a cop than a white person. And those numbers directly state it. According to the US Census, whites make up 77.7% of the population, blacks 13.2%, Hispanics 17.1%, and Asians 5.3% with American Indians and Alaskan Natives being 1.2%. So why is it blacks are getting shot at more than twice their representation in the population? The percentage of overall population isn't what matters; it's the percentage of representation in the criminal population. The truth is that the police aren't going around shooting random black people just for fun; nor are they going around shooting random white people just for fun. The shootings happen in the context of criminalor suspected criminalbehavior, and when you adjust for those figures, when police get themselves into a sticky situation with white people they are more likely to shoot the suspect than when they get themselves into a sticky situation with black people.
That isn't a sign that blacks are criminally inclined. I never said they were. I said that crime is a bigger problem in black communities than it is in white ones. And that's true.
That's a sign of systemic racism. And that's a flat-out lie. The percentage of the prison population that is black continues to rise even as old-style racism is becoming an endangered species. Unless you think there was less 'systemic racism' back in the days of Jim Crow, the fact that you could consider racism as the driving factor behind the rising black prison population is baffling. As I have said a number of times now, racism is not the cause of the disparities between white and black life achievement, and black folk agree (last question):
The same percentage of African Americans who recognize their poor position in life also do not attribute this to racism. And this should come as no surprise, since black people are well aware of the fact that white-against-black racism is not the problem it used to be. In fact, a larger percentage of blacks now consider blacks more racist that whites:
quote: And empirical evidence bears this out; African Americans are more likely to commit 'hate crimes' than white Americans (remember that whites comprise roughly 78% of the U.S. population, and blacks 13%):
quote: This is the true reality of racism in America. Racism against blacks is at levels lower than ever before, to the point that the trend of black racism against whites is overtaking white racism against blacks, yet the lot of African Americans continues to be poor and in many cases worsening. The logical conclusion to draw from this is that racism is not at the heart of the white-black achievement gap in the U.S., meaning that even if you got rid of all the racism among whites, it would only make a dimple of a difference in the life achievement gap between white and black Americans. The black community doesn't need your white guilt or your 'help' in fighting imagined racism. What disadvantaged African Americans need are real solutions with real impact on the real problems they face. Your approach is just old, tired, and ineffective. Your intentions may be good, but the evidence overwhelmingly shows they are misguided. Edited by Jon, : No reason given.Love your enemies!
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Jon Inactive Member |
If you think fighting racism is going to have a significant impact on the lives of African Americans, then prove it.
As you know, I've already started a thread where you can lay out your argument with all your evidence and logic. This thread is specifically about BLM and is not the place to make the argument you're trying to make.Love your enemies!
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Jon Inactive Member |
The other thread's open, Rrhain, whenever you're ready to lay down some numbers.
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