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Hate Crimes? Thought Crimes? Crimethink?

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 98 of 131 (775584)
01-03-2016 1:08 AM 		Reply to: Message 90 by Dr Adequate
01-02-2016 12:05 PM

But as I point out, if we know that they had different motives, then they did not in fact act identically, nor will their crimes have identical consequences.
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The fact that you aren't acknowledging the acts the same and are focusing on the motive is how and why it is a slippery slope to a thought crime.
"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine
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Hyroglyphx
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Message 100 of 131 (775590)
01-03-2016 2:09 AM 		Reply to: Message 99 by Dr Adequate
01-03-2016 1:12 AM

As I have explained, the acts are not the same.
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The actions are identical, the motive was different.
"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine
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Message 108 of 131 (775685)
01-04-2016 3:34 AM 		Reply to: Message 107 by Dr Adequate
01-03-2016 11:19 PM

Those "thoughts" you are describing are actually actions and they are describing intent, not motive. A charge for conspiracy isn't charging them for their thoughts, it's charging them for their intent to commit an action. And very specific actions are necessary to demonstrate the willingness or intent to commit the act to completion.
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So stating that thoughts can be criminalized is misleading
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