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Tangle
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Message 2 of 57 (776131)
01-09-2016 5:12 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Straggler
01-09-2016 4:58 AM


My experience working in the US was that US 'executives' suffer from presenteism. Not only do they have fewer holidays, they seem to be at work for longer hours. But they were no more productive for it - in my industry anyway.
In my experience it was a fear thing. I was surprised to find that my colleagues had no employment contracts, they can and were sacked without notice or warning and without compensation.
There are plenty of international productivity stats produced. The US is generally high up them, but there are plenty of buts.

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Message 5 of 57 (776144)
01-09-2016 11:08 AM
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01-09-2016 9:36 AM


RAZD writes:
Curiously I don't think those measure productivity but profits.
I think it's measuring variants of GDP - which is "the monetary value of all goods and services produced within a nation's geographic borders over a specified period of time."
So it's the value of goods sold not just the profit made on them.

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Message 41 of 57 (776688)
01-18-2016 12:25 PM
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01-18-2016 11:57 AM


Re: What's the purpose? And how do we pay?
RAZD writes:
Both of these states spend a lot of money to control criminal behavior, so the question is -- what is the root cause of criminal behavior.
There isn't 'a' root cause; it's complex. The summarised position is that crime is normal - that is, we're all capable of and even willing to commit every crime if the circumstances permit. Circumstances are the complex bit - opportunity and propensity are two main chunks, each influenced by numerous factors - age, sex, upbringing, state of mind, environment, genetics, chance of being caught, beliefs etc etc etc.

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"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
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Message 43 of 57 (776699)
01-18-2016 3:22 PM
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01-18-2016 1:25 PM


Re: What's the purpose? And how do we pay?
RAZD writes:
If a living pension\wage\dividend provided one with shelter food and security, then the need to resort to crime to obtain these would be lessened.
I don't think the USA allows people to starve on the streets unless they are rejecting help? Most low level theft isn't to survive, it's to support drug and alcohol addiction.
I think it's a stretch to suppose that higher beneits or that increasing minimum pay rates would reduce crime given that basic needs are met. The evidence is rather against it - in the last recession crime rates fell.
But I do agree that pursuing a living wage is a worthy goal in its own right.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien.
Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Tangle
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Message 45 of 57 (776705)
01-18-2016 4:17 PM
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01-18-2016 3:32 PM


Re: What's the purpose? And how do we pay?
Jar writes:
So let's decriminalize and nationalize drugs and give them away free through a chain of health clinics that could also provide free basic health services and education.
That gets my vote. Sadly it doesn't get the politician's approval because they don't think the public would go for it. In fact they continue to act against the evidence.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien.
Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Message 52 of 57 (776912)
01-22-2016 1:59 PM
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01-22-2016 9:58 AM


Re: What's the purpose? And how do we pay?
RAZD writes:
Florida made it a felony to feed homeless people, and arrested a pastor that was handing out food.
Cities (republicans) have passed laws making it illegal to sleep outside at night - I don't know what the punishment is for breaking these laws, probably put them in jail.
Those sound like specific anti-vagrancy efforts rather than the state not feeding those that are starving in a systematic way, but I don't know anything about your laws.
So if "basic needs are met" then would that not "support drug and alcohol addiction" ??? (Especially if decriminalizing and treating drugs would be part of the program).
I'm not arguing against progressive social measures, I'm saying that purely increasing benefits is unlikely to reduce crime in the direct way you seem to suggest.
Its harder to steal from poorer people, especially when they are in concentrated locations.
Not at all, most stealing is done amongst people and properties in poorer areas and it was perceived wisdom that economic downturns created unemployment which created criime. Not so this time.
People should be able to work a 35-40 hour week and get health, sick leave and health benefits, food and shelter, with time for family and some rest and relaxation.
I agree, so why not move to a sane country?

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien.
Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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Message 56 of 57 (776931)
01-23-2016 3:32 AM
Reply to: Message 53 by LamarkNewAge
01-22-2016 9:44 PM


Re: Clarification needed.
It seems that there are more Christian values in atheist countries......

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien.
Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.

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