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NoNukes
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Message 12 of 57 (776188)
01-09-2016 8:20 PM
Reply to: Message 10 by Hyroglyphx
01-09-2016 7:21 PM


At-Will states need written documentation to fire someone. They legally can't just fire you for no reason.
Employers in at will states can fire you for no reason. There are some reasons for firing you that are illegal (such as age discrimination). So employers maintain documentation to avoid being sued. Legally, all that is needed to avoid losing a suit for a discriminatory firing is a non-discriminatory reason even if that reason is a pretext. That is the purpose of the documentation.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams

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NoNukes
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Message 21 of 57 (776533)
01-15-2016 8:53 AM
Reply to: Message 20 by LamarkNewAge
01-15-2016 12:58 AM


Re: Minimum wage
I really do think that the dynamics of the situation will lead to less job mobility. Unemployment rates aren't always 100% clear indicators for the ease or difficulty in poor people finding jobs. You can have low unemployment (like 4% for the last year) in places like Hawaii, but jobs are very hard to find for poor people.
Can you make a case for any of this. "I think" followed by a bunch maybes does not even reach the level of a proposition, let alone an argument. Remember, you are shooting down an idea that you agree "seems to work on paper"
Low employment suggests that many people have already found jobs although it is not a perfect indicator of that. So tell me why we want poor people working and yet still living like refugees. What is the incentive to do so?

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams

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NoNukes
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Message 28 of 57 (776589)
01-16-2016 2:49 PM
Reply to: Message 24 by Hyroglyphx
01-16-2016 12:47 AM


Re: Minimum wage
I'm always amazed how few people see inflation as the real enemy here.
You haven't actually made the case that inflation is the problem. The problem is not inflation which actually assists people because it allows paying debts with cheaper money, but the failure to index the minimum wage to inflation during a time when there is upward pressure on every other factor of production. There is no excuse for using 1980 economics to set wages in the 2016 and that applies both to the minimum wage and every other wage.
A review of the distribution of economics over the past 50 years has shown that in real dollars the production of wealth has increased, but that the middle and lower classes haven't shared in that growth. There is simply no way that dynamic can be attribute to inflation.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams

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NoNukes
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Message 33 of 57 (776623)
01-17-2016 2:15 PM
Reply to: Message 31 by Hyroglyphx
01-17-2016 1:00 AM


Re: Minimum wage
And as save money for retirement, the value of that dollar is constantly devaluing so that a $500K retirement today might be a $250K (or less) retirement amount if we compare 2016 dollars to 2036 dollars.
Let's ignore the issue that for poor people, retirement savings is not that huge an issue. Instead I'll point out that if your bills go up and your wages don't, you are not going to be able to accumulate any savings to inflate. So even the small amounts of inflation wipe out a person on an income that is fixed in real dollars.
Is the problem here inflation or the fact that with the teeny-tiny interest rates we currently have, it is difficult to save in a way that keeps pace with the current rather puny interest rate?
Inflation affects the cost of living which almost always outpaces annual raises.
That is indeed a problem. So why are wages so low when productivity is at an all time high? When there is more wealth being created than ever before?
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Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? Scott Adams

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