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RAZD
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Message 16 of 56 (792881)
10-14-2016 5:54 PM
Reply to: Message 10 by Percy
10-14-2016 8:35 AM


(1) unsecured classified information and (2) the coverup
The government's position is that classified information shouldn't exist on unclassified systems, but where did Hillary's received emails come from, and where did the sent emails go? Looking at just a few of Hillary's emails (WSJ Clinton Email Search), many were being received from and sent to email addresses at the domain state.gov, which is an unclassified network. All indications are that the State Department uses this network for most email communication, and this practice did not suddenly begin when Clinton became Secretary of State but must also have been the practice under Condoleezza Rice, who was not herself an email user
... Her unique fault was not that she used unclassified networks for classified information, for that practice was ongoing and probably continues to this day, but that she used her own email server, thereby exposing the State Department to potential security breaches they were unaware of.
To my mind there are two issues of relevance about the Clinton e-mails:
(1) unsecured classified information was on a private server -- there are several people that put classified information on a private device and were then prosecuted for breaking protocol, losing their classified status and being black-listed for ever seeing classified information ever again.
So there is the appearance of "Well it was Hillary, so it is okay" and that laws don't apply to the big name people.
(2) the coverup -- this was the issue that brought Nixon down, the stonewalling and the coverup. This is also why she has such high unfavorable ratings: instead of being transparent and forthcoming they tried to hide what had happened and pretend that it was all approved sop etc etc.
Same for the bank speeches (which we now have bits and pieces of from Podestas hacked emails), again pretending that it was nothing special (in spite of the high $$ fee). So we now know that she has one "private face" and one "public face" on issues, confirming that she is not open and fully disclosing her positions on a number of topics, from bank regulation to TPP to fracking, etc. One for raising funds and one for getting votes?
Hillary has so much baggage from their previous occupation of the white house, this only adds to her perceived problems with trustworthiness.
And I find it somewhat amusing that the first time around they blamed a "vast right-wing conspiracy" and this time it's the Russians -- even to saying that the Russians are organizing protests to fracking and pipelines.
Really? All those Native Americans protesting #NoDAPL are Russians?
There's always a scape-goat to blame ...
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Message 17 of 56 (792882)
10-14-2016 6:00 PM
Reply to: Message 11 by jar
10-14-2016 9:56 AM


But wasn't her server set up by the Secret Service? Aren't they involved in securing US secrets?
The server may have been set up by the SS for Bill's use. The person who set it up for Hillary's use was not SS:
IT worker who helped set up Hillary Clinton email server gets immunity - CBS News
quote:
WASHINGTON -- Bryan Pagliano, the State Department IT staffer who helped set up and maintain Hillary Clinton's private email server in her Chappaqua, N.Y. home in 2009, has been granted immunity by the Justice Department, CBS News confirmed Tuesday. Pagliano is cooperating with the FBI in its investigation.
The FBI obtained Pagliano's cooperation, the Washington Post first reported, citing a senior law enforcement official. The Post also suggested that granting immunity to Pagliano is a sign "the FBI investigation into possible criminal wrongdoing is progressing." Pagliano was paid separately by the Clintons to set up the server before he was hired by the State Department.
It wasn't intended for Sec of State use when set up for Bill.
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Message 28 of 56 (793353)
10-26-2016 11:45 AM
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10-26-2016 10:40 AM


Your first job is to find someone who has done far less and who then went to jail. From all reports, Colin Powell also did what HRC did, and no one is putting him in jail.
Not quite, but more to the point:
N.S.A. Contractor Arrested in Possible New Theft of Secrets - The New York Times
The latest in a long line of relatively unknown people that have been found to have classified material on their private computers.
More "famous" people would be Snowden and Manning ... they sent the information they had to wikileaks, but one of the charges against them is stealing classified information -- ie having it on their computers.
There was another instance that I ran across earlier this year, where the guy did nothing with the information and was still prosecuted, but do not have the link saved.
It has happened, it continues to happen, it just isn't high profile.
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Message 34 of 56 (793480)
10-30-2016 8:28 AM
Reply to: Message 32 by Percy
10-28-2016 4:09 PM


Re: Clinton Emails in the News Again
The emails are not from Clinton.
And Anthony Weiner is back in the news ...
But they are about how the Clinton machine shook down donors to the foundation for the enrichment of the Clintons (Bill Inc). They are about skirting the laws and not following the intent of the agreement with Obama..
They demonstrate character flaws similar to what we see in Trump's use of his position (such as his "charity"), he was just more blatant about it.

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Message 35 of 56 (793481)
10-30-2016 8:39 AM
Reply to: Message 33 by Rrhain
10-29-2016 11:21 PM


Re: Clinton Emails in the News Again
Why is it only Clinton that gets the FBI talking?
(Or the press reporting on it) Interesting question.
Trump will be in court in November on fraud charges (Trump U iirc) and in December on Child Statutory Rape charges, but there is little noise about this as well.
There was a facebook post that claimed Comey was trying to bias the election towards Trump. I can't find it now but did find these:
Update Your Browser | Facebook
Agreed that facebook is next to worthless for valid information because people post opinion more than fact.
Could it be that Comey is a lifelong republican who served in the Bush Whitehouse?
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