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Author Topic:   The God That Paul Marketed Over Time.
New Cat's Eye
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Message 41 of 267 (793582)
11-02-2016 10:50 AM
Reply to: Message 40 by Phat
11-02-2016 8:56 AM


Re: Works vs Grace
One question might be what context is James different from Romans?
Paul was writing to new Roman churches and explaining to them how salvation came through the gospel of Jesus, so the belief side was more important at that point in their faith.
James was writing to Jewish Christians who already believed and was explaining how their faith in Christ should play out in their lives.
Paul seems to be more for new Christians while James seems to be for more mature Christians.
The faith part is important at first, but once you're a believer it is more important for you to actually do something.

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Message 44 of 267 (793589)
11-02-2016 1:21 PM
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11-02-2016 11:56 AM


Re: Works vs Grace
Also James was still trying to reform Judaism and not create a new separate religion. Like Jesus James was a Jew and still involved directly in the Jewish theology.
The problem that True ChristiansTM have is that they always try to turn the multiple different writings in the Bible into one single cohesive and comprehensive writing.
"Paul said this but James said that... what kind of context do we have to invent in order to keep them saying the same thing?"
Well, they were writing different things to different people for different purposes. It's okay if they deviate from each other.
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Out of curiosity, do you think that James was Jesus' brother?

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Message 46 of 267 (793595)
11-02-2016 1:50 PM
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11-02-2016 1:32 PM


Re: What Paul actually said.
I contend that Paul explains that doing will never get you closer to Heaven.
Do you have any Scripture references where Paul says something along those lines explicitly?
Like, rather than talking about the importance of faith, he talks about how unimportant it is to do things? Or how they can't help you?
It seems like every time I get into the Faith vs Works debate, the only argument for how worthless works are is arguments about how important faith is.

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Message 55 of 267 (793680)
11-03-2016 12:43 PM
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11-03-2016 8:08 AM


Re: Unknown Gods, works, and eternal security
I contend that Paul explains that doing will never get you closer to Heaven.
Do you have any Scripture references where Paul says something along those lines explicitly?
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Is that a "No"?

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