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Author Topic:   Dakota Access Pipeline to be re-routed!!!
Stile
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Message 2 of 17 (795049)
12-05-2016 9:33 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by NoNukes
12-04-2016 5:37 PM


Good to hear, I think.
I didn't hear too much about this.
But this is the gist I got:
1. Pipeline was originally planned to go through a predominantly white neighbourhood.
2. White neighbourhood voted not to have the pipeline in their area.
3. Pipeline was moved.
4. Pipeline was then planned to go through native neighbourhood.
5. Native neighbourhood voted not to have the pipeline in their area.
6. Pipeline was not moved.
7. Protests.
8. Pipeline going to be moved (now).
Is there any other significant details going on?
Or was this pretty much a racist thing as my understanding describes?

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Stile
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Message 6 of 17 (795060)
12-05-2016 2:00 PM
Reply to: Message 5 by Dr Adequate
12-05-2016 1:22 PM


Re: Good to hear, I think.
Ah, so that would update it to something more like:
1. Pipeline was originally planned to go through a predominantly white neighbourhood.
2a. White neighbourhood voted not to have the pipeline in their area.
2b. Pipeline people found holes in their own plan and didn't like the idea anymore.
3. Pipeline was moved.
4. Pipeline was then planned to go through native neighbourhood.
5. Native neighbourhood voted not to have the pipeline in their area.
6. Pipeline was not moved.
7. Protests.
8. Pipeline going to be moved (now).
Which then begs the question...
Is the pipeline actually being moved this time because of the protest?
Or did they find more holes in their own plan and move it on their own again anyway?
(I'm not assuming anyone actually has the answer to these questions, just sayin')

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Stile
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Message 12 of 17 (795097)
12-06-2016 8:44 AM
Reply to: Message 7 by NoNukes
12-05-2016 5:10 PM


Re: Good to hear, I think.
NoNukes writes:
There was no vote. The pipeline was re-routed away from Bismarck without any input from the city or its officials. If somebody decided that the pipeline was NSFW, the blame lies elsewhere.
I would be okay with agreeing that there was no "official" vote.
And that the point is that the idea for moving the pipeline came from the pipeline-people... not the neighbourhood people.
From the article Dr Adequate presented:
quote:
The decision appeared to have been unrelated to objections from residents of Bismarck, and no plan was ever solidified to route the pipeline north of the city before its residents shut it down.
I took this to mean that the residents of Bismarck did, indeed, object... it just was not a factor in the decision to move the pipeline.
Whether or not their "objection" took the form of an actual vote... I don't really care, I don't think it's really part of the point.
Also, I don't think the native neighbourhood had an "official" vote either...
It's just a way to express the idea that the residents (of both neighbourhoods) did not want the pipeline in their respective areas.
NoNukes writes:
The federal government denied easements without which the pipeline cannot take the current route. There is no new planned route for the pipeline and no indication that the DAPL wanted to change the route.
Right. And then my question still stands.
Did the federal government deny easements because of the protest?
Or for some other reason?
Assuming it was because of the people is why I required correction from Dr Adequate in my original thoughts.
Has the government stated that denying the easements was because of the people protesting the pipeline?
I think it's likely that the answer is "yes," but again, I'm trying to learn my lesson about making assumptions...

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