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Author Topic:   Trump's order on immigration and the wacko liberal response
Riggamortis
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From: Australia
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Message 494 of 993 (799158)
02-07-2017 8:25 PM
Reply to: Message 491 by Faith
02-07-2017 6:34 PM


Re: The reality of why we need to restrict Muslim entry into the US
Those Muslims who would behead him are the victims of decades of state sanctioned US terrorism. He is the face of that terrorism. Were I in their shoes, I would likely want to kill him too. That is not to say it's ok to kill him but that I understand their anger far more than I understand western fear.
We in the west have been the victims of mostly impotent terrorist attacks at the hands of extremists. I'm willing to bet that the majority of Americans have not been directly affected by terrorist acts(by this I mean lost a loved one/property/lifestyle not simply 'became fearful of terrorism'), while the Iraqi's have all been and continue to be affected by the actions of the US.
I hate the US Faith, for what it's doing to the world, I hate my own country, more specifically our govt, for following the US like lost puppies. Hate may be too strong a word but you get my point. You seem unable to understand why those Muslims feel that way, perhaps because you believe the BS that we are 'helping them'?
Before you label me a bleeding heart liberal, you should know that I reject the left/right paradigm outright and do my best to evaluate each issue on its merits alone. In this case, were it not for the fact that the west has actively participated in the destruction/destabilisation of the Middle East, I would be more sympathetic towards the conservative view. But that is not the case.

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Riggamortis
Member (Idle past 2419 days)
Posts: 167
From: Australia
Joined: 08-15-2016


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Message 501 of 993 (799199)
02-08-2017 3:35 AM
Reply to: Message 495 by Faith
02-07-2017 8:47 PM


Re: The reality of why we need to restrict Muslim entry into the US
That's not the reason, Rigga, but thanks for tha response.
We'll have to agree to disagree, just keep in mind that my views are based on my perceived reasons for them hating us.
I don't support a lot of our military actions either, but that is not the reason they hate America.
Great, if only your govt gave a damn.
ABE: HOWEVER whatever their reason, why would we want to admit people who hate us into our country? /abe.
My views are not representative of all Aussies and I expect that the views vary from Muslim to Muslim too, hence the screening process. We are doing everything we can to not let the hateful/violent ones in.
Since (in my view) we are largely responsible both for creating the hatred and displacing the people I am uncomfortable, morally speaking, with not granting entry based solely on their home country. It's called taking responsibility for your actions.
It looks to me that the US is happy to invade/bomb Islamic nations, dragging the rest of the west in too, for its own economic benefit and then absolve itself of the consequences ie, refugees and increased terror threat.
To use an analogy, if I am responsible for burning my neighbours house to the ground, I'm an asshole if I turn him and his family away when they turn up on my door step looking for somewhere to stay.
If I grant you that the ideology is the source of their hatred, we are still at least partially responsible for the refugee crisis. If conservatives were as vocal about prevention of the problem as they are about not dealing with it, I'd have a lot more respect for their position.

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Riggamortis
Member (Idle past 2419 days)
Posts: 167
From: Australia
Joined: 08-15-2016


Message 505 of 993 (799204)
02-08-2017 4:07 AM
Reply to: Message 502 by Faith
02-08-2017 3:45 AM


Re: The reality of why we need to restrict Muslim entry into the US
Your "perceived reasons" against my knowledge of Islam's announced agenda, written in their "holy books," continued down the centuries since they began.
I was being diplomatic in the hope of having a reasonable discussion, guess I've learned my lesson there. I suppose you can show how Islamic terrorism was prevalent long before the US started intervening constantly in Islamic countries affairs then?
Defeat people in war and you have to let them into your country to behead your citizens? Excuse me?
Who did you defeat in war? You've invaded and destroyed virtually defenceless countries. For nothing more than economic gain. Oh how proud you must be!
Like I said, if you don't want them in your country stand up against your govts actions that cause the problem to begin with. Otherwise you're an asshole.

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Riggamortis
Member (Idle past 2419 days)
Posts: 167
From: Australia
Joined: 08-15-2016


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Message 516 of 993 (799220)
02-08-2017 6:56 AM
Reply to: Message 514 by Faith
02-08-2017 5:17 AM


Re: The new fascism
I don't think he's accusing you of racism, he's mocking your inclination to believe everything is a conspiracy against you/Protestants/the US etc. That's how it reads to me anyway and your response only makes it funnier.

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Riggamortis
Member (Idle past 2419 days)
Posts: 167
From: Australia
Joined: 08-15-2016


Message 551 of 993 (799281)
02-08-2017 8:48 PM
Reply to: Message 524 by Faith
02-08-2017 11:54 AM


Re: The new fascism
Soros is a billionaire Jew, no? One that you constantly accuse of paying people to do stuff that amounts to a conspiracy. Hence his 'Jew-gold'. Believing a specific Jew to be involved in conspiracies does not make anyone an anti-Semite. Using that belief to justify hatred against ALL Jews would. Dr A did not accuse you of the latter only the former. In other words, he didn't imply you are an anti-Semite, just a conspiracy loon.
The reason I find it so funny is that you only believe the half of the conspiracy that is against you. The Jew-spiracy holds that wealthy Jews control and command both sides of politics. But that doesn't suit your point of view, does it?

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Riggamortis
Member (Idle past 2419 days)
Posts: 167
From: Australia
Joined: 08-15-2016


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Message 690 of 993 (799531)
02-10-2017 8:23 PM
Reply to: Message 671 by Faith
02-10-2017 5:58 PM


Re: Extreme Vetting
Islam itself is ideologically terrorist. Period.
Western imperialism is worse. Period.

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Riggamortis
Member (Idle past 2419 days)
Posts: 167
From: Australia
Joined: 08-15-2016


Message 698 of 993 (799540)
02-10-2017 9:28 PM
Reply to: Message 691 by jar
02-10-2017 8:25 PM


Re: Extreme Vetting
But they were doing gods work obviously. [/sarcasm]

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Riggamortis
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Posts: 167
From: Australia
Joined: 08-15-2016


Message 703 of 993 (799545)
02-10-2017 9:41 PM
Reply to: Message 700 by Faith
02-10-2017 9:35 PM


Re: Extreme Vetting
You want to judge all of Islam for the actions of extremist Muslims but insist we draw a distinction between Catholics and Protestants? Come on Faith, a little consistency would be nice.

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