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Author Topic:   The Totalitarian Leftist Tactics against the Right
JonF
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Message 800 of 960 (812850)
06-20-2017 2:28 PM
Reply to: Message 797 by Faith
06-20-2017 2:22 PM


Re: Nugent tells it like it is
But the headline is not a lie.. Nor is it insulting. It's a simple statement of objective fact.
But acknowledging that not all headlines about Trump are lies would be acknowledging your exceptionally silly error, and you just cannot do that.

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JonF
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Message 801 of 960 (812851)
06-20-2017 2:30 PM
Reply to: Message 799 by Faith
06-20-2017 2:25 PM


Re: Calls to assassinate Trump
Is a written report evidence for the truth of its contents? Pick one:
Yes
No
Oh crap, I've shot my foot while it was in my mouth. Again.

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JonF
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Message 803 of 960 (813073)
06-22-2017 4:24 PM
Reply to: Message 802 by Faith
06-22-2017 1:19 PM


Re: Hannity sums it all up to perfection
Nobody's going to watch 53 minutes of a self-confessed non-newsman. Got anything to say? Say it.
Hey, got any names of people who've called for Trump's assassination?
Didn't think so.

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JonF
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Message 804 of 960 (813075)
06-22-2017 5:30 PM


Ah, must be this. Nothing the ultra-right loves more than violence.
Hannity Unhinged: Dog Whistle To Violence Edition
quote:
Sean Hannity sank deeper into his pit of unhinged hate mongering this Tuesday night as he repeatedly suggested that Donald Trump opponents are dangerous enemies of the country. Every American should find it alarming.
During a monologue that lasted more than 11 minutes, Hannity repeatedly suggested that opponents of Trump are a threat that needs to be dealt with (transcript via FoxNews.com):
Hannity:
quote:
Tonight, a soft coup is under way right here in the United States of America in an attempt to overturn November’s election results and forcibly remove a duly elected president from office, sinister forces quickly aligning in what is becoming now, in my mind, a clear and present danger.
In concert with his message, a large graphic blared at times, "CLEAR AND PRESENT DANGER."
Hannity went on to rail against the Destroy Trump Media and the other usual foes. If you’re a regular Hannity watcher, you’ve heard those bits before. Many, many times:
But while it's tempting to laugh at Hannity as a broken record, there is nothing comical about how he reiterated his clear and present danger rhetoric:
HANNITY:
quote:
And you, the American people, you’re the ones suffering because these forces are slowing down what you voted for. A president enacting the agenda he promised, means fewer jobs, less economic growth, no border wall, no tax reform, no repealing, replacing ObamaCare, no getting people out of poverty, off of food stamps, back in the labor force, buying homes at a 51-year low*.
The longer these attacks continue, the longer it will take for you, the American people, to benefit from what from what you voted for, the president’s policies and agenda. And all of this is now creating a very clear, present danger to the country. The left is suffering well beyond Trump derangement syndrome. It’s completely unhinged.
Look at how vile some of their rhetoric has been.
Of course, Hannity didn’t play his former colleague Andrea Tantaros urging her radio listeners to do me a favor and punch an Obama supporter in the face. Which did not get her fired from Fox News.
Apparently, Donald Trump fostering actual violence doesn't count, either.
Nor the explicit approval of violence, spoken on Fox News and Fox Business, against anti-Trump protesters by Fox fave Sheriff David Clarke.
Hannity also conveniently forgot all the times, with similarly couched language, he suggested Cliven Bundy and supporters should become violent toward federal law enforcers.
And if anyone would know about efforts to take down a president, it would be Hannity. He enthusiastically promoted Donald Trump's bogus birther attacks on President Barack Obama (and claimed otherwise).
But really, this goes beyond hypocrisy. Hannity is deliberately fomenting hostility and he’s using inflammatory language to do so.
Hannity pretended he was merely urging viewers to become civically engaged:
HANNITY:
quote:
If you’re sick and tired of it, I think you should let your congressmen and women know. I think you should look at the media tonight and ask, Are they telling you the truth anymore?
But his very next comments all but declared that viewers have no choice but to take the law into their own hands:
HANNITY:
quote:
We’re at a turning point. You, the American people, have a profound choice to make here. You can let this continue to happen, watch the country descend into chaos, you can sit back, or you can stand up and fight for what you voted for back in November and the agenda that you want implemented in this country.
Shame on Fox News for tolerating it.
Watch this Hannity go right up to the edge of calling for violence above, from the June 20, 2017 Hannity:
*Lie, of course. Home ownership is recovering from a 51-year low: There's a simple reason the percentage of people owning a home is at a historic low. And the other benefits he claims are unlikely to happen of just not going to happen: Kansas' tax cuts are a spectacular failure. Meanwhile, in California ..., GOP Tax Plans Would Emulate Failed Kansas Experiment. Trickle-down economics failed for Reagan, failed for W, failed for Walker in Wisconsin, failed for Jindal in Louisiana, and really really failed for Brownback in Kansas. But this time for sure, amirite?

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JonF
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Message 806 of 960 (813108)
06-23-2017 8:50 AM
Reply to: Message 805 by Faith
06-23-2017 6:32 AM


Re: Haven't Seen a Fair Leftist Assessment of Anything in Years
I didn't watch the video. Do you or he have any objective facts to discuss?
(ABE} Links to the claims about beating people up, please.
There are a few leftist nutjobs and there has been some leftist violence. Such violence is wrong no matter who commits it, and I condemn it. But it's a huge leap from a few incidents to a nationwide conspiracy.
Edited by JonF, : No reason given.

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JonF
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Message 809 of 960 (813111)
06-23-2017 9:13 AM
Reply to: Message 807 by Faith
06-23-2017 8:53 AM


Re: Haven't Seen a Fair Leftist Assessment of Anything in Years
As I said, he showed a couple of Democrats being interviewed on TV news, saying there is no evidence of Trump colluding with Russia.
OK, what Democrats and what exactly did they say? All the claims of "no evidence of collusion with Russia" I've seen have been obvious misinterpretations of carefully crafted statements that say no such thing. I posted information on that a few days ago.
Edited by JonF, : No reason given.

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JonF
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Message 810 of 960 (813114)
06-23-2017 9:17 AM
Reply to: Message 808 by Faith
06-23-2017 8:56 AM


Re: Haven't Seen a Fair Leftist Assessment of Anything in Years
Assuming that's true, it's still a far cry from a nationwide conspiracy.
I certainly don't think all conservatives are evil. Some are. Alas, the evil ones are in charge.
BLM is not violent. Some members of BLM are. The vast majority aren't.
As to the videos, I'd rather see your evidence of the beater's intent and a discussion of why you generalize such incidents to nationwide conspiracy.

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JonF
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Message 812 of 960 (813124)
06-23-2017 10:49 AM
Reply to: Message 811 by Faith
06-23-2017 10:10 AM


Re: Haven't Seen a Fair Leftist Assessment of Anything in Years
I should point out that nobody in their right mind will say there is no evidence for a matter the FBI is currently investigating, no matter whether or not they know and no mater what the investigation is based on.

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JonF
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Message 813 of 960 (813125)
06-23-2017 11:08 AM
Reply to: Message 811 by Faith
06-23-2017 10:10 AM


Re: Haven't Seen a Fair Leftist Assessment of Anything in Years
"5. Bare links with no supporting discussion should be avoided. Make the argument in your own words and use links as supporting references."
OK, I watched the first few minutes.
I didn't see, nor have I seen anywhere, any evidence that anyone is trying to remove Trump. What forces have "formed an alliance" to try to remove Trump?
No examples of alleged continuous media lies. "No evidence whatsoever" is just a lie of his.
There is no solid evidence of an organized "Deep State". It certainly appears that there are a lot more leaks than the usual Washington flood. But the existence of those leaks is not necessarily the result of a conspiracy. It's certainly possible that most or all of them are the result of decent and dedicated workers horrified at the destruction Trump and his gang are wreaking, and IMHO that's what is happening.
Mueller's investigation is expanding at least partly because he is finding evidence to suggest criminality, and by law he may not ignore it. I assume that you were incensed when Ken Starr expanded the Whitewater investigation to so many other areas over a period of four years.
He repeats the unfounded charge of a conspiracy to remove Trump.
The media for the most part is not pushing a story of Trump colluding with the Russians. Personally I feel that there may have been collusion at lower levels nobody with a lick of sense would have brought Trump into it since he can't keep a secret. He has had far more Russian contacts than he's admitted but that in itself is not criminal.
That's enough for now...

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JonF
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Message 815 of 960 (813128)
06-23-2017 11:15 AM


I watched WATCH: Here's a Montage of Democrats Confirming They Have ZERO Evidence Trump Colluded with Russia on Hannity's site.
None of them said "evidence does not exist" or any equivalent.
In particular James Clapper was clear in his testimony before the Senate Judiciary Committee:
quote:
During my tenure as DNI, it was my practice to defer to the FBI director, both Director Mueller and then subsequently Director Comey, on whether, when and to what extent they would inform me about such investigations. This stems from the unique position of the FBI, which straddles both intelligence and law enforcement. And as a consequence, I was not aware of the counterintelligence investigation Director Comey first referred to during his testimony before the House Permanent Select Committee for Intelligence on the 20th of March, and that comports with my public statements.
{emphasis added}
Note that he specifically referred to a counterintelligence investigation and made no mention of any possible criminal investigation.

  
JonF
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Message 817 of 960 (813183)
06-24-2017 7:47 AM
Reply to: Message 816 by Faith
06-23-2017 10:20 PM


Re: Trump haters attacking Trump supporters
No response to my points?
I have already acknowledged the existence of such violence and condemned it. I'll look at some of them.

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JonF
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Message 818 of 960 (813184)
06-24-2017 8:04 AM
Reply to: Message 816 by Faith
06-23-2017 10:20 PM


Re: Trump haters attacking Trump supporters
The first is indeed horrible.
The second is an Alex Jones (your soul mate, remember?) lie. The altercation was after a traffic incident and had nothing to do with politics. 'Black Mob' Beats White Man for Voting Trump? | Snopes.com
In the third I can barely understand the narrator and can't understand any of what's said.
The fourth does give some more information, and that does indeed seem horrible.
The fifth does recount a crime and alleges anti-Trump influence, followed by a "Clintons killed their way to the top" lie. I don't trust that source at all.
The last is certainly heated but not violent.
So I'll give you two, maybe three, horrible violent incidents which I condemn are are not evidence of an organized conspiracy.
OTOH, Donald Trump Hate And Violence Map.

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JonF
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Joined: 06-23-2003


Message 828 of 960 (813200)
06-24-2017 9:55 AM
Reply to: Message 819 by Faith
06-24-2017 8:38 AM


Re: Trump haters attacking Trump supporters
We don't need to call it a "conspiracy" to recognize that there's a strong feeling on the Left that violence is just fine against Trump supporters.
No, there are a few people on the left who go way overboard and are condemned by all. generalizing to all leftists is not valid.
There are some people on the right who go overboard.
added the last as I said because it was interesting, although it isn't about violence, but it certainly shows the ignorance of the BLM man who keeps accusing Trump of racism
Trump walks and talks and acts like a racist.
that immigration restrictions are about racism against Muslims and Mexicans when it is no such thing, but obviously somebody on the Left wants that to be the "narrative."
Trump has stated his intent explicitly.
We're getting all kinds of diseases in the country now because of the idiot Left that insists on bringing in people who carry them.
Another mindless repetition of a lie. Immigrants from Mexico and south are typically immunized at a significantly higher rate than US residents. There is no evidence whatsoever of significant disease transmission by immigrants, legal or not.
Are illegal immigrants bringing ‘tremendous’ disease across the border, as Trump says? Unlikely
Vectors or Victims? Docs Slam Rumors That Migrants Carry Disease
Lebanonsense: No, Syrian refugees aren't bringing a flesh-eating disease into the United States.
Debunking the Myth that Refugees Spread Disease
Anything to say about the following, or are you abandoning your claim that "As I said, he showed a couple of Democrats being interviewed on TV news, saying there is no evidence of Trump colluding with Russia.":
I watched WATCH: Here's a Montage of Democrats Confirming They Have ZERO Evidence Trump Colluded with Russia on Hannity's site.
None of them said "evidence does not exist" or any equivalent.
In particular James Clapper was clear in his testimony before the Senate Judiciary Committee:
quote:
During my tenure as DNI, it was my practice to defer to the FBI director, both Director Mueller and then subsequently Director Comey, on whether, when and to what extent they would inform me about such investigations. This stems from the unique position of the FBI, which straddles both intelligence and law enforcement. And as a consequence, I was not aware of the counterintelligence investigation Director Comey first referred to during his testimony before the House Permanent Select Committee for Intelligence on the 20th of March, and that comports with my public statements.
{emphasis added}
Note that he specifically referred to a counterintelligence investigation and made no mention of any possible criminal investigation.

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JonF
Member (Idle past 198 days)
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Message 829 of 960 (813201)
06-24-2017 9:57 AM
Reply to: Message 825 by Faith
06-24-2017 9:28 AM


Re: Trump haters attacking Trump supporters

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JonF
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Message 834 of 960 (813211)
06-24-2017 10:52 AM
Reply to: Message 828 by JonF
06-24-2017 9:55 AM


Re: Trump haters attacking Trump supporters
Thank you, Faith, for agreeing that nobody has said Trump is not under investigation.

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