Register | Sign In


Understanding through Discussion


EvC Forum active members: 64 (9164 total)
2 online now:
Newest Member: ChatGPT
Post Volume: Total: 916,879 Year: 4,136/9,624 Month: 1,007/974 Week: 334/286 Day: 55/40 Hour: 2/4


Thread  Details

Email This Thread
Newer Topic | Older Topic
  
Author Topic:   Trump's order on immigration and the wacko liberal response
NoNukes
Inactive Member


(2)
Message 956 of 993 (811356)
06-07-2017 12:04 PM
Reply to: Message 907 by Faith
06-04-2017 7:00 PM


Re: The "Religion of Peace" Strikes Again...and Again
I condemn any murderous attack like that. But this is the thread about Trump's efforts to curtail the immigration of dangerous people into the country and those on the agenda at the moment happen to be Muslims
The agenda is what is being questioned. Why has the Trump administration decided to remove efforts to target domestic wingnut terrorism while curtailing folks in countries who have never targeted us? Why is Iran on the list, but Qatar is not on the list.
Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson
Not really, it is a theory that is imposed on nature so consistently that you think you are observing it. -- Faith
Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000

This message is a reply to:
 Message 907 by Faith, posted 06-04-2017 7:00 PM Faith has not replied

  
NoNukes
Inactive Member


(1)
Message 992 of 993 (813463)
06-27-2017 7:08 PM
Reply to: Message 991 by Chiroptera
06-26-2017 11:24 AM


Re: Supreme Court partially lifts Trumps travel ban injunction
but my understanding is that decisions about injunctions often give a sense about how a court will eventually rule.
My analysis is a bit different. A preliminary injunction is supposed to be issued upon a balancing of harms coupled with the likelihood of success. It is important to note that the court upheld the portion of the ban that clearly affected folks who had a claim to due process under the constitution. I think that validates the argument that those folks do have a constitutional right to due process.
With regard to the rest of the folks for whom the 120-day delay applied to, namely folks not yet under the jurisdiction of the court and not closely related to those folks, the court questioned whether or not that provision was moot, given that the time the administration wanted to study immigration was now over and presumably the administration can implement the real plan.
Under the Supreme Court's rulling, those folks simply have to wait a relatively brief time. So for establishing the balance of harms before the Court hears the case, those folks are not suffering much harm by a brief wait until the hearing.
I think there is very little justification for crowing about the outcome as Trump is now doing. Further, the Court has not tipped its hand about what it might do. The option is open to do just about anything.
Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.
Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King
I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson
Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith
Some of us are worried about just how much damage he will do in his last couple of weeks as president, to make it easier for the NY Times and Washington post to try to destroy Trump's presidency. -- marc9000

This message is a reply to:
 Message 991 by Chiroptera, posted 06-26-2017 11:24 AM Chiroptera has seen this message but not replied

  
Newer Topic | Older Topic
Jump to:


Copyright 2001-2023 by EvC Forum, All Rights Reserved

™ Version 4.2
Innovative software from Qwixotic © 2024