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Author Topic:   Latest on the Republicans' war against health care
jar
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Message 3 of 51 (814430)
07-09-2017 7:02 PM


Health Care is really simple (redux)
From Message 521 and Message 523 in the topic "The Trump Presidency":
quote:
Thirty-two of the current Thirty-three Developed Nations have Universal Health Care systems.
Here is a list:
source
Some of these nations figured out how to do it before WWI.
It really is simple. Pick one and do what they did.
And what process should congress use to pick the plan?
The House has 435 members. There are thirty two countries on the list. Divide the House Membership up by drawing names out of a hat into thirty two teams of 13-14 members each. Assign one nation to each team and send them and their wives off on a vacation to their assigned nation.
When they return they must each prepare a Bill supporting choosing the plan from their assigned nation.
All thirty-two bills get sent to the Senate where the Senate passes one bill that then becomes the US Universal Healthcare Plan for a term of not less than ten years. At the end of every ten year period the Congress can vote to repeat the process or renew the US Healthcare Plan.
It really is that simple.

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jar
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Message 7 of 51 (814511)
07-10-2017 1:29 PM
Reply to: Message 6 by Tangle
07-10-2017 1:23 PM


Correct on most counts. I'm not sure that your source is current on Cuba; it may rank higher than the US even though we have been sanctioning it for a half century.

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Message 12 of 51 (814551)
07-10-2017 6:14 PM
Reply to: Message 11 by Taq
07-10-2017 6:07 PM


You need to list all the products; it is far more than just Health Care. They think the free market is the answer to education, prisons, utilities, infrastructure, communications, transportation ...

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jar
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Message 24 of 51 (815039)
07-14-2017 5:23 PM
Reply to: Message 22 by Taq
07-14-2017 4:04 PM


Re: Newest Senate proposal
Taq writes:
Faith writes:
The solutions being proposed are worse, however, by everybody's standards, nobody likes any of it. No idea where all this is going to end up. I haven't needed a lot of medical care fortunately but I've got Medicare plus Medicaid so I haven't had to think about what it costs. People are still paying for Obamacare though.
They are far worse. Republicans want to allow insurance companies to sell bad insurance to healthy people so that their premiums are lower. These plans will hardly cover anything, so it is a bit laughable to call it insurance to begin with. What this does is take healthy people out of the risk pools and leaves a much higher percentage of sick people. This will cause premiums to skyrocket. On top of that, they want to take away some of those subsidies so not only will premiums skyrocket for sick people but they will be getting less assistance as well.
That doesn't even get to their plan to gut Medicaid which is the largest health care provider in the country.
It is even worse, particularly for the willfully ignorant folk that would support the utter stupid plan proposed by the current crop of Conservatives.
Even those who are healthy today and could get by with the emasculated plan the Conservatives are trying to market will get sick at sometime in the future.
When that happens they will find that their utter stupidity in allowing this to happens simply means the safety net and money pool or insurance they need is simply unavailable.
Granted, they will likely be the last folk killed by this stupid bill and not the first, but it will still fuck them royally in the end.
The rich though will get richer. Screw anyone else.
Oh and Faith, they plan on fucking up both your Medicare and Medicaid as well.

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jar
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Message 31 of 51 (815245)
07-17-2017 8:31 PM
Reply to: Message 30 by Rrhain
07-17-2017 8:19 PM


And he was opposed to the Bill anyway so this is just stalling.

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jar
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Message 33 of 51 (815271)
07-18-2017 6:35 AM
Reply to: Message 32 by PaulK
07-18-2017 3:27 AM


Where the Democrats fail
Unfortunately, the Democrats are simply giving away a glorious opportunity by not at least speaking out on what a Health Care Bill should do. Even though they can't pass anything they can still use their position to address the issue and sell an idea to the public if not the Legislature.

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jar
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Message 41 of 51 (815381)
07-19-2017 4:29 PM
Reply to: Message 40 by Taq
07-19-2017 4:07 PM


Re: Next item: Tax cuts for the rich!
There is no point to having guilt if you cannot delegate it.

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