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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
Why should they? All of this wouldnt be so bad if jar and others had more respect for what the mainstream apologists and Christian leaders teach and believe.An honest discussion is more of a peer review than a pep rally. My toughest critics here are the people who agree with me. -- ringo
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
GDR writes:
Isn't that better than taking your morality from some alien overlord whose agenda might not be good for us at all? If this world is the result of nothing but mindless particles coming together by chance with no intelligence involved at any point, then our morality is then simply what works for us,(or me).An honest discussion is more of a peer review than a pep rally. My toughest critics here are the people who agree with me. -- ringo
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
GDR writes:
Well, no. You said yourself that we have different ideas of "good" depending on what works for us. In reality, there is no absolute good that works in every situation. Why substitute an imposed "good" that might not be good for us at all? That assumes though that we have a common definition of what is good and not good.An honest discussion is more of a peer review than a pep rally. My toughest critics here are the people who agree with me. -- ringo
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
Define accident.quote: An honest discussion is more of a peer review than a pep rally. My toughest critics here are the people who agree with me. -- ringo
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
Matthew 25:31-46. Sheep v. goats. Please explain why not.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Faith writes:
That doesn't make a bit of sense. How can there be a choice where you can't choose? God's offering a choice is not the same thing as people having the natural ability to choose.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
Here's an apple and an orange. Pick one. Then I'll give you whichever one I please. Set up a scenario and show that what Faith is proposing involves no real choice. Now you. Set up a scenario where you're offered a choice but you don't have the ability to choose.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
GDR writes:
We all know that intelligence evolved, don't we? By attributing intelligence to your God you're diminishing Him to an evolved being. None of that excludes there being an intelligence that also influences us as individuals or that influences those who influence us within the family or culture.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
GDR writes:
I didn't say consciousness. I said intelligence.
Actually I haven't agreed that consciousness evolved. GDR writes:
It's the same implication as saying that God is male; maleness implies reproduction. Intelligence implies the ability to learn which implies the ability to make mistakes. I don't see why that has any implication for why that would mean that an eternal intelligence would have had to evolve.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
Yes, based on dogma - but I'm asking if you have any examples that make sense. Based on dogma.... "Satan" is just a metaphor for us. What's an example of a choice where we don't get to choose?And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
Nobody said they did. Nobody called it a choice that you don't get to choose. Atheists don't really get to choose to be atheists. You claim there are choices that we don't get to choose. Not including questions that people don't want answered like, "What should I wear?" give us an example. The fact that it's so difficult to explain the question to you should be a clue that the concept is nonsensical.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
foreveryoung writes:
You got it right this time. Theology is the study of ideas about God, not the study of God. God is an idea held by the vast majority of homosapiens since even before Civilization. The study of that idea is theology. And you seem to understand that some ideas about God are wrong - e.g. the idea that God wants His followers to kill non-Muslims. So if some ideas about God are wrong, it's possible for all ideas about God to be wrong - same as all ideas about unicorns are wrong.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
You don't know that. That's just something you imagine.
God has no physical, measurable or verifiable form. Phat writes:
If I thought some entity had had a significant part in creating the world as we know it, that entity would be an alien species of some sort. They would have technology unknown to us but they would be biological in some way. I see no reason to imagine an entity with no physical, measurable or verifiable form. That's just an excuse for believing in something that isn't verifiable.
If you imagined a God, what characteristics would this Deity have? Phat writes:
He has been so far. Would He simply leave you alone and be happily invisible?And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
The irony is that the obviously "fallen" mind - i.e. the one that isn't working right - is yours. ...because He can't be known by the fallen mind.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
What either of us believes or doesn't believe is not relevant. What's relevant is your behaviour and your behaviour doesn't suggest any special "understanding". Your insistence on being wrong about everything - to the point of openly defying reality - is evidence that the whole concept of "fallen minds" is garbage. Yeah that would be an irony, but of course you don't believe in God and I do.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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