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Faith 
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Message 111 of 5796 (843028)
11-11-2018 7:00 PM
Reply to: Message 90 by Percy
11-11-2018 9:33 AM


Re: Did the intern accost Acosta or did he accost her?
In eight years in office Obama never called the press the enemy of the people or fake news or any other derogatory terms, and he was never rude to reporters.
Cuz they were never rude to him, the leftist press loved him and the right are polite and abide by the rules.
If you watch the entire question period of the press conference you'll see that it was Trump who was repeatedly aggressive, hostile and rude based on whether he liked the question.
I did watch the whole thing, more than once already. Trump was aggressively defending his positions against typical PC attacks on his character. Acosta was the aggressor as were some of the others in the group who asked questions that weren't questions but just opinions disguised as questions that attacked his character. The "questions" were "aggressive, hostile and rude" insinuating and accusatory and he was responding appropriately.
He seemed to have walked into the press conference determined to pick fights, and this is backed up by the fact that he called on both Jim Acosta and Peter Alexander early on, two reporters he's clashed with in the past.
Well, perhaps he should never call on such people ever. But maybe he was trying to be fair since he gets accused so much, that would be a reasonable interpretation as opposed to yours.
...and I think it's interesting that while as far as I've seen all the liberal-leftist opinion is in defense of the brat,...
Jim Acosta and all the other reporters who were abused by Trump (such as PBS's Yamiche Alcindor, a black reporter whose question about Trump declaring himself a nationalist Trump called racist) were just doing their job. Some do it more aggressively than others.
the PBS reporter WAS accusing him of racism in questioning his use of the term "nationalism." he had explained it well enough on other occasions, yes he is a nationalist, he is for American interests above all other interests. No he is not a racist and nationalism is not about racism. He was in the right to call her out on her accusation. He needs to call out all these leftist accusations whenever he can because they are all fake news bullets intended to kill his Presidency.
Acosta has no right to tell Trump he can't call the "caravan" an "invasion" and the whole point of this impertinent accusation is to call him a racist. Just PC and more PC and it is character assassination and it's all the Left ever does. There was no substance in his question. Is his military response appropriate etc etc., no, just in typical leftist fashion it's all about words they can make to mean racism or xenophobia or some other favorite mindless empty politically motivated incendiary character assassination.
Migrants crashing over a wall illustrate what this caravan threatens to do, it's not fake, it's not a lie.
Trump speaks for a lot of us when he says the press is the enemy of the people these days. Sorry, they are. Everything that meets the public eye is leftist and it's leftist spin, I never see my opinion or that of Trump's supporters represented anywhere unless I specifically go looking for it, and there's even a lot of leftist accusation that they are going to censor what there is of it too. This makes the press, and much of the social media too, my enemy and the enemy of the American people.
Acosta said nothing that was hostile or partisan.
Unfortunately I guess you really think that is true, which only shows the depths of the incredible abyss that divides left from right these days. That statement might as well come from a martian, or someone on LSD, it's so absurd I can hardly believe anyone could see it that way. But I know you do, I know many do. It's millions of you against millions of us but it's like two entirely different ... cultures? I don't know. I didn't know it was possible for there ever to be this degree of irreconcilable disagreement on such a scale.
You're blind to the main thing that is going on these days that could become all-out fascist violence from the Left if it isn't opposed by Trump and others. And it may make no difference anyway because everything he says or does or his supporters say or do is just swallowed up by the Leftist Worldview because it's angry and aggressively self-righteous, though against perfectly innocent people.

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Faith 
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Message 112 of 5796 (843029)
11-11-2018 7:35 PM


An Antifa Supporter speaks
Last night I decided I needed to watch some political stuff that I generally don't follow and it was interesting. I discovered Tucker Carlson for instance, saw a bunch of his interviews, can certainly see why the Left hates him because he's so aggressively critical of their stupidities. Also acquired a few new heroes of sorts. Lindsey Graham was great on the hypocrisy of the Democrats in the Kavanaugh hearings. John Sununu was funny and effective against a couple of CNN hosts who kept trying to get him to criticize Trump. And I love Diamond and Silk whenever i see them. Wish I could find some of the stuff I mentioned earlier but sorry, maybe I'm just too tech-challenged but I can't find it on this computer.
however, I found this little gem. This guy who is a supporter of Antifa and a college professor, God help us, and I mean that, if this is a college professor we really need God's help. He justifies Antifa violence on the ground that "the community has a right to defend themselves against against people who they consider to be a threat" or something like that, but the point is they justify violence against perfectly innocent people, people who are doing nothing, but probably white people because some white people used to be racists against blacks. That means any white person is fair game. That's my attempt to understand his ridiculous logic. And who is the "community?" I guess not any white people, oh maybe leftist whites of course, like himself. Although I'm not entirely sure he's even from this Planet. Anyway, I'm not up to hearing it again right now, I have to get off this public computer.
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Faith 
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Message 119 of 5796 (843058)
11-12-2018 2:52 PM
Reply to: Message 118 by Dr Adequate
11-12-2018 1:59 PM


Re: Not Honest nor Straightforward
People made a fuss when Obama wore a tan suit, Faith. They made a fuss when he put mustard on his hamburger.
Oh right, the occasional complaint about style is certainly on a par with a blitz of "news" reporting on nothing but criticisms and objections of all kinds, and calling the President a racist or fascist or xenophobe. Right. Thanks so much for reminding me of the parity in this case.

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Faith 
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Message 121 of 5796 (843060)
11-12-2018 2:59 PM
Reply to: Message 117 by ooh-child
11-12-2018 11:54 AM


Re: Not Honest nor Straightforward
We keep telling you the 'commentary' you rely on is lying to you. Why do you want that?
They aren't lying, you just have tio make everything the Right says into a lie like all leftists do. What you all "tell" me is just spin, I certainly could do with a lot less of that.
In addition, you never answered my question about Trump: what am I to believe? You seem to have a way of discerning truth from lies as he bumbles through the Presidency.
So I'll ask again, do I believe him when he said he absolutely knew Whitaker when Fox interviewed him last month, or do I believe him now that he claims not to know him at all?
I did answer you. I believe both, which I explained. He meant he knew him in the sense of having had enough contact to get a favorable impression of him, but in the sense of really knowing the guy in any depth he doesn't and is saying so now. Again, you make mountains of molehills. It really isn't hard to sort these things out. Trump is not a seasoned politician or he'd know better how to talk to people like you, but he's still got more of a businessman's mentality in which everybody is your best friend on first meeting but that doesn't mean you have been bosom buddies since kindergarten.

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Faith 
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Message 123 of 5796 (843064)
11-12-2018 3:49 PM
Reply to: Message 104 by Percy
11-11-2018 6:04 PM


Re: Not Honest nor Straightforward
You're calling anti-fascists fascists.
No, I am not confused, you are. The true fascists are the ones calling themselves anti-fascists as I said. And I am far from the only one saying this. I realize you have to make your way through a thicket of leftist spin to find right-wing commentary of the sort I've been listening to lately but most on my side of the fence agree that it's the Antifa brownshirts who are the fascists. They have the intolerance of those who disagree with them that characterizes fascists and the willingness to do harm to them, with the character assassination tactics that make "vermin" out of human beings and that sort of thing. The call to violence was made only too clear by that Antifa guy in the video I posted yesterday being interviewed by Tucker Carlson. If you represent anything they "think" is a threat to them, though you've merely expressed an opinion and are otherwise minding your own business, they can justfiy "defending" themselves against you, like by beating up someone wearing a MAGA hat, or people attending a right wing speaker on a campus, or scaring Tucker Carlson's wife and doing damage to his property. (And I do hope pictures of the damage to door and car will show up eventually).
I assume everyone here is against most Antifa tactics, specifically property damage, physical violence, and harassment, and I think it is these tactics that are causing your confusion. A fascist isn't someone who employs these tactics, but rather someone who believes in an authoritarian nationalist right-wing style of government that can also include control of industry, suppression of criticism, and racism.
Yes it is the violence, but it is also the totalitarian intolerant mindset. See my signature. Reagan called it years ago. If fascism ever comes to America it will be on the liberal side. This insistence on the right wing orientation is a big smokescreen that can only mislead people. Suppression of criticism is certainly on the Left these days, even with violence, it is not on the Right, and racism is on the Left too, as Tucker Carlson keeps pointing out, it is NOT on the Right. The Left just keeps calling people on the Right racists with NO justification WHATEVER. WAKE UP.
Fascism is closer to the right-wing politics of Trump and yourself, and pretty far from the anti-right-wing politics of Antifa.
As I say above you are badly misled. Badly. The reverse is true.
Trump has done a great deal of damage to American institutions, like the Department of Justice, the FBI, the judiciary when they rule against him, and the integrity of elections that yield Democratic winners, and he believes people serving in his administration owe their loyalty to him rather than to the Constitution. We need someone to be president of all the United States, not just the Republicans.
The Left won't let him.
If a fascist is someone who believes in an authoritarian nationalist right-wing style of government, then what part of the definition of fascism doesn't fit Trump?
Right wing is maybe the only part that does fit, maybe. He is not an authoritarian, but the Left is. It's the Left that is willing to steal votes because they don't care about democracy they just want to run the show. We are getting news as a leftist blitz that shuts out right wing views and is even threatening to erase them from the internet, which has already happened though it's hard to prove. This is the media doing this, and they have as much power as the President or more when it comes to controlling information, which is really propaganda. Those on the Left are totalitarians. No, not ALL, and I'm sure there are many who don't know this is the main thrust of the Left but it is and they are tacitly supporting it. I know you don't see this and you think we are just inventing conspiracies that don't exist, but spend some time on my side of this for a change.
\\And you are refusing to understand what he means by "nationalist" just as so many others are. He means he wants to support American interests. It's a way of saying he's an anti-globalist. He's our President after all so he considers himself to be working for American citizens. Guess what, that's his job. Obama was working for our enemies, he was not a nationalist and did not care one bit for Americans, that's why Trump won. A nationalist as Trump embodies it wants to enforce our immigration laws, wants to protect our jobs, wants to protect our borders, wants to protect our culture which is a melting pot of people from all over the world who want to be Americans with our constitutional mindset, which they don't have and won't have as long as you don't require them to come in legally and assimilate. He cares about Americans and American culture. Hitler wanted to conquer the whole world under his version of nationalism, but that has nothing to do with Trump's use of the term. And some people put the word "white" in front of "nationalist" to distort the idea further. Trump is no racist. He meant what he said about welcoming LEGAL immigrants because we need them. Political Correctness that calls him a racist and a fascist and a xenophobe is all LIES. WAKE UP.
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He who surrenders the first page of his Bible surrenders all. --John William Burgon, Inspiration and Interpretation, Sermon II.
2Cr 10:4-5 (For the weapons of our warfare [are] not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God...
Political Correctness is Cultural Marxism
If fascism comes to America it will be in the form of liberalism -Ronald Reagan

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Faith 
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Message 124 of 5796 (843065)
11-12-2018 3:53 PM
Reply to: Message 122 by ooh-child
11-12-2018 3:18 PM


Re: Not Honest nor Straightforward
I'm sorry, I'm the one who got it wrong about Whitaker being next in line, that was my fault, I wasn't getting it from the commentators. All they said was that he is qualified. I started listening to thse things when the election started, that's about one week now, I was not up on the Rosenstein flap and I'm still not sure enough of what was going on there to comment. The commentary I've heard has only said that Trump has the right to appoint the acting AG.
Yeah he thought Whitaker was fine and then he changed his mind. Big deal. Yes you want it to be a big deal because you want to find fault with him however you can.

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Faith 
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Message 126 of 5796 (843067)
11-12-2018 4:28 PM


Diamond and Silk censored by Facebook
Here's an example of censorship of the right from the left. Facebook deems the commentary of the duo Diamond and Silk to be "unsafe" because they are pro-Trump.

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Faith 
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Message 136 of 5796 (843151)
11-13-2018 4:55 PM
Reply to: Message 129 by Hyroglyphx
11-13-2018 1:00 AM


Re: Bizarre-O World
Donald Trump was a lifelong Democrat and realistically only made the switch to a Republican when it benefited him as a political expediency. Now Democrats despise him and Republicans fawn over him.
He started seeing things the way some of us on the right see them and in order to represent us he had to join the Republican party. Nothing at all strange about that, people do change parties for other reasons all the time too. And for the rest of your points, people often vote for the person which often means voting different parties, nothing unusual here. What's odd is your seeing contradictions where there are none.

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Faith 
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Message 137 of 5796 (843152)
11-13-2018 5:04 PM
Reply to: Message 127 by ooh-child
11-12-2018 4:40 PM


Re: Not Honest nor Straightforward
The commentary I've heard has only said that Trump has the right to appoint the acting AG.
That's a far cry from your original claim:
From all the commentary I've been hearing it certainly is perfectly legal and constitutional.
"Far cry? Looks about identical to me. "has the right" is the same as
"perfectly legal and constitutional." I added my own thoughts about it but that doesn't change the point:
Seems to me it would be pretty silly if he could name Sessions and then his permanent successor and not be allowed to name the interim AG as well. He didn't like the politics of the next guy in line, so he chose one he likes better, what's wrong with that?
Just considering why he must have the right. There's no "rar cry" here.
And all my commentators continue to say of course he has the constitutional right, that it's just the usual Leftist obstructionism to make an issue of something as simple as his appointing an acting AG that everyone knows has the right credentials.
We expect a competent president to vet his appointments.
Vet a short term acting appointment beyond the basic qualifications that everybody recognizes? Nonsense. You don't waste time vetting an acting AG beyond the bare minimum.
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Message 138 of 5796 (843153)
11-13-2018 5:22 PM
Reply to: Message 123 by Faith
11-12-2018 3:49 PM


Nationalism or Americanism
I think what I said here about Trump's use of the term "nationalism" is right, he means "Americanism," working for America's interests. But yesterday i heard some disucssion of these terms that suggests he should use "Americanism" isntead because "nationalism" has too many different connotations depending on which nation is espousing it. "Americanism" is about American culture which is not the same as French or German or any other culture. American culture takes people from all over the world and melts us all together into one American Culture based on the Constitution. It's very far from racism or xenophobia. But we can only have an American Culture if immigrants come here wanting to assimilate into it, which doesn't happen with illegals, and doesn't happen when the Left enforces "multiculturalism" which is NOT the melting pot. Anyway, this is what Trump had in mind but he should probably use "Americanism" instead.

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Message 142 of 5796 (843157)
11-13-2018 5:36 PM
Reply to: Message 140 by ooh-child
11-13-2018 5:28 PM


Re: Not Honest nor Straightforward
My problem is that I simply do not trust anything you lefties say. I am not going to follow up on all of your allegations because I know at least half of them are bogus politically motivated distractions. If sometimes you're right, fine, but I so hate the Left's tactics and basic attitude I really almost don't care. It's nothing but fingerpointing and hatemongering and character assassination from your side, it's going to destroy the country and that's what I care about. I guess I'm going to have to give up on the country, it's going to hell faster than anyone could possibly hope to stem the tide, barring a miracle. I can still hope and pray for that. Anyway I answered your claim that I was contradicting myself. I was not, you don't bother to acknowledge that and beyond that I'm sick of everything all of you have to say about absolutely everything.

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Message 158 of 5796 (843196)
11-14-2018 12:41 PM
Reply to: Message 157 by ooh-child
11-14-2018 12:27 PM


Re: Not Honest nor Straightforward
Well if I leave, which I keep being on the verge of doing, you won't have anyone to debate with at all. Maybe that's the best thing anyway. I don't even know which "facts" I supposedly agreed with, I'm just so depressed over the thinking of the Left I don't care. Facts get swallowed up into the Leftist processor anyway and come out so distorted by destructive ideology their being facts doesn't mean much to me. I don't get why people on the Left can't see it but they can't and there doesn't seem to be anything anyone can do about it. So you blame me and I blame you and that's the end of it. End of everything unfortunately.
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Message 159 of 5796 (843197)
11-14-2018 12:49 PM
Reply to: Message 154 by Percy
11-14-2018 9:01 AM


Re: Why Nationalism is Bad
Nationalism is bad for more than one reason, but the most important is that it subordinates other country's interests to one's own. That's what Hitler did.
Which is one of the reasons why "nationalism" is not the best word for what Trump means, as I said. It depends on which nation is using the term. Putting American interests first does not subordinate the interests of other nations in that way at all, in fact American interests have to be strone for us to be of any help to other nations.
Trump may be ignorant of some things and should be straightened out about them, but he is not a supporter of Nazism or white nationalism.

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Message 160 of 5796 (843198)
11-14-2018 12:58 PM
Reply to: Message 149 by Percy
11-13-2018 9:28 PM


Re: Dan Crenshaw Has a Message For Faith
The Right has been singing the praises of Crenshaw already for his very gracious attitude of forgiveness of SNL for mocking his war wound. I don't think I can agree with the opinion piece by him that you post though. If he wanted to point out that the "ist" and "ism" that are the problem are the Leftist "racism" and "sexism" and the like, I would have no problem with it except to suggest he add some words that end in "phobe" to identify the leftist political correctness which is character assassination and intimidation. And it is the Left that attacks people's motivations. But the terms "leftist" and "leftism" refer to ideology, not personal character, and are necessary for keeping a body of thought on the table which is the problem from the point of view of the Right. The debate should be kept on the level of ideology.
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Message 166 of 5796 (843223)
11-14-2018 9:06 PM
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11-13-2018 5:52 PM


Re: Diamond and Silk censored by Facebook

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