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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
There is no secret weapon. You can't catch every fish in the sea. The ones that get away will feel smugly superior to the ones you catch.
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
foreveryoung writes:
I hate to break it to you but you're showing some signs of maturity already.
Let me be immature till the day I die, I don't care.
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
Why don't you bring his arguments here? If you tried to explain them in your own words, maybe they wouldn't seem so rational after all. I fail to see why his argument is bad however.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
That's just philosophical gibberish. If you're going to defend apologists, defend their positions on Christian doctrine. I just did. Look up a couple of posts.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
If it makes so much sense to you, you must have already disected it. I'd have to really dissect what Ravi says concerning doctrine, but its nothing new that we have not discussed.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
You complain that I don't respect apologists. I'm trying to find out what it is that you think I should respect. Thinking back, Im trying to compile a summary of *YOUR* Doctrine...And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
If they don't show up for the game, I win by default. I'd rather have a more decisive win but it's hard to get you to pry them out of their videos.
You confidently proclaim them as simply WRONG, as if you've somehow won an intellectual chess game. Phat writes:
But you don't actually challenge it. You just say you do. I challenge your premature conclusion...And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
Is it my fault you can't present the arguments in your own words?
Sorry...I prefer videos. Is it my fault you cant watch them? Phat writes:
Well, of course there's no such thing as absolute morality. Nobody has more relative morality than Christians. After all, God's "absolute morality" doesn't even apply to Himself. So I guess our question is this: Is there such a thing as absolute morality? But you can see the dishonesty of the apologist right there. He's arguing against subjective morality, which is a strawman. And again, what has that got to do with specific Christian doctrines?And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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NosyNed writes:
My post count would be a lot higher if every thought was as brilliant written down as it is in my head. Some of them are so weak that when you try to write it out as clearly as possible it becomes apparent that there is nothing to say.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
Not true. He spoke of sending the goats to everlasting fire. And Revelation has its share of death, doom and destruction too. The God of the WHOLE Bible has a pretty consistent violent nature. Discounting the Old Testament just won't fly. Jesus is more reliable...apart from tipping over a few tables and killing a tree, He showed little in the way of instability.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
You're missing the point: The God of the New Testament is the same as the God of the Old Testament. You have no rationale for accepting the New and rejecting the Old. The goats need to be burned up.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
As I pointed out, He is the same. He talked about sending the goats to everlasting fire. Jesus is hardly like Jehovah.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
What do legal credentials and courts have to do with anything? It doesn't matter whether or not the goats and the Flood victims "deserved" to be punished. The point is that the Jehovah of the Old Testament and the Jesus of the New Testament have exactly the same approach - genocide. OK, let's say that He did. You hardly have legal credentials to represent the goats, do you? What will you argue before the Court?And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
It... has... nothing... to... do... with... legality. Besides, I know your legal strategy! It's about comparing oranges to oranges. The Old Testament orange is the same as the New Testament orange. It doesn't matter whether they are real or fictional. It doesn't matter how much respect one has for Loki or Quezalquatl. It doesn't matter whether scientists believe in the Flying Spaghetti Monster. The fact is that the God of the Old Testament and the Jesus of the New Testament are equally bloodthirsty - according to the ONLY source of information you have. Your "loving" God is made up.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
You're showing your true anti-science colors.
You first went off the rails when you logically deduced that science determines reality. Phat writes:
The evidence leads me to reject belief.
You cannot claim that you are forced to go where the evidence leads you, for you have rejected belief. Phat writes:
OF COURSE it should be a last resort. How can you even suggest otherwise and still claim to have the slightest respect for science?
You have even said that belief should be a last resort. Phat writes:
But you're not sending anything back. After reading your last final insistence that your argument is sound, however, i am feeling as if you will never change it no matter how much I send back at you. When my brother was about five years old, we tried to explain to him that the earth is not flat. His response was, "But I think it is." We'd explain the evidence and he'd return, "But I think it is." No matter what we said, his answer would be, "But I think it is." Your behaviour is exactly the same. You use, "I believe," as an excuse to park your brain at the door and throw the evidence out the window. You even have the gall to suggest that rejecting belief is a bad thing. That's frustrating enough in a five-year-old but there's no excuse for such behaviour in an adult.
Phat writes:
Why?
It seems odd for someone to preach a message that God was literary fiction, Jesus was embellished, both were bloodthirsty according to the books, and that we are expected to do it ourselves! Phat writes:
Yes, that's EXACTLY what we should all do. Truth is not a default. One cannot assume that everything is simply fiction just because they have never had reason to think otherwise.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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