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JonF
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Message 1096 of 5796 (850121)
04-01-2019 1:09 PM
Reply to: Message 1089 by Faith
04-01-2019 10:51 AM


Re: More attacks on the nation
Of course there are plenty of details available on the other investigations and the evidence that inspired them. Your sources ignore them or lie about them. Trump investigations: beyond Mueller, the president faces other legal jeopardy - Vox has a good summary. More detail is easily available to anyone interested in reality. .
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The hush money investigation. The probe focuses on hush money payments made on Donald Trump’s behalf before the 2016 election ” payments that prosecutors say violated campaign finance law. Stormy Daniels and Karen McDougal.
The Trump inaugural committee investigations. Federal prosecutors are scrutinizing a host of matters related to the Trump inaugural committee’s finances. They are looking into potential corruption involving favors for donors, whether foreign funds were illegally given through “straw donors,” how the committee spent the money it took in, and how it accounted for that spending.
The Trump Foundation (New York AG): In June 2018, New York’s attorney general filed a civil lawsuit against the Donald J. Trump Foundation and its directors ” President Trump, Donald Trump Jr., Eric Trump, and Ivanka Trump ” alleging a “pattern of persistent illegal conduct, occurring over more than a decade.” The lawsuit claimed the Trumps inappropriately took advantage of the foundation’s tax-exempt status, using its resources to help Trump’s presidential campaign, to promote his business interests, and even to settle a lawsuit against Mar-a-Lago ” all with no real independent oversight. {E.g. buying expensive portraits of Trump that hang in his properties.}
New York state tax investigations: Meanwhile, the Department of Taxation and Finance in the Empire State has been looking into Trump on several fronts (separately from the state attorney general). First, the department opened an investigation into the Trump Foundation, the New York Times reported last year. This covers some of the same matters described above, but it could lead to a criminal referral, in contrast to the AG’s civil lawsuit.
Trump projects’ financing (New York AG): Michael Cohen testified to Congress in February that Trump’s company had a practice of inflating its assets to get more favorable loan terms. So on March 11, the New York state attorney general’s office subpoenaed two financial institutions that lent to the Trump Organization ” Deutsche Bank and Investors Bank.{This isn't a criminal investigation}.

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Faith 
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Message 1097 of 5796 (850124)
04-01-2019 6:09 PM
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04-01-2019 1:02 PM


Re: More attacks on the nation
What does the nation need to be "saved" from?
Leftist political machinations with the objective of bringing down Trump and not the slightest legitimate excuse for any of it otherwise. Leftist lies, Leftist interference with the free speech of their opponents, Leftist socialist and communist policies which alone would destroy America. Leftist pbstruction of border policies they themselves supposedly supported in the past. Leftist sabotage of all conservative efforts. Leftist hatred of Trump as their major motivation, no interest in doing anything to further the wellbeing of the nation. The Left, period. That's what the nation needs to be saved from. They are ignorant of everthing this country was built on, and all they want to do is destroy it.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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Faith 
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Message 1098 of 5796 (850126)
04-01-2019 6:16 PM
Reply to: Message 1096 by JonF
04-01-2019 1:09 PM


Re: More attacks on the nation
Yeah. Most of that sounds exactly like what I was saying. Just a bunch of whatever they could think of that might possibly show something they could turn into an accusation of criminality, though all it is is stuff they don't understand so they just want to make it sound like something underhanded. There isn't an actual criminal action in any of that, just the usual suspiciousness and hopefulness that it will turn out to be something criminal. Yuck.

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AZPaul3
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Message 1099 of 5796 (850128)
04-01-2019 6:57 PM
Reply to: Message 1094 by Faith
04-01-2019 12:44 PM


Re: More attacks on the nation
It's Congress's obstructionist interferences, all political in motivation with ...
This feels strange. I haven't cheered congress on like this in decades.

Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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AZPaul3
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Message 1100 of 5796 (850129)
04-01-2019 7:10 PM
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04-01-2019 6:16 PM


Re: More attacks on the nation
Hopefulness?
Oh, m'Lady, you cannot comprehend the hopefulness.
It is our most fervent hope that they find something ... anything ... with which we can grind him to a, well maybe a fine paste anyway.
That's not too much to hope for, is it?

Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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Faith 
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Message 1101 of 5796 (850130)
04-02-2019 1:02 AM
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04-01-2019 7:10 PM


Re: More attacks on the nation
Yes, many of you will admit quite freely to your desire to disenfranchise half the voting public, you hate the President and those who voted for him so much. You admit to being willing to pull off a coup of the third world sort, no matter that it will destroy the America we used to know and embrace for its civility and fairness despite our distaste for the results of a particular election. Killing America doesn't bother you because your hatred is so compelling to you consequences don't matter. Of course you rationalize it as the right thing to do, but those who know what you are doing can only hope against hope that you don't succeed. Civil war isn't pretty, the tyranny of Leftist mob rule isn't pretty, shredding the Constitution for your selfish political ends would be tragic. Nothing you could achieve is desirable and your hatred of Trump and his supporters can't possibly justify it. Lies, Fake News, false imprisonment, stop and think what you are doing.
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JonF
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Message 1102 of 5796 (850157)
04-02-2019 8:57 AM
Reply to: Message 1098 by Faith
04-01-2019 6:16 PM


Re: More attacks on the nation
They are mostly significant criminal acts. There is quite a lot of damning evidence for them.
But there obviously is no crime you won't excuse. Trump could rape an infant on the steps of the Capital and you would have the same reaction.
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Faith 
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Message 1103 of 5796 (850169)
04-02-2019 1:09 PM
Reply to: Message 1102 by JonF
04-02-2019 8:57 AM


Re: More attacks on the nation
They are mostly significant criminal acts. There is quite a lot of damning evidence for them.
Just a bare assertion there, something you'd like to be true no doubt, but without a shred of evidence. Like the paragraph you posted that says there are a lot of "questions" about this or that supposed Trump activity. Gosh I'm sure there are lots of "questions" about lots of things based on pure ignorance of the subject, that if answered would reveal completely legitimate business practices except in the hands of Trump haters who suspect them or pretend to suspect them of something nefarious because that's what they do in their neverending made up fake news designed only to smear Trump. You've offered no evidence that anything you've listed is something Trump did, or something known to be criminal either. You just list it as if the mere listing of it makes it criminal. Typical innuendo, no substance.
But there obviously is no crime you won't excuse. '
The Left just never stops multiplying evil accusations against opponents do you? I've excused no crimes, I've pointed out that they aren't crimes and that you've shown no evidence to support the idea that they are. We just got Mueller's statement that after years of expensive "investigation" supposedly aimed at proving that Trump or his team committed treason in the service of winning the election, just about the most evil accusation it's possible to dream up but nothing stops the sleazy Left, and I certainly made no excuses for such a crime, I knew it hadn't happened and that's what the report finally showed. Despite the fact that the Left refuses to accept it and now wants to continue the investigation until they can find a way to invent proof that the crime was in fact committed.

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JonF
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Message 1104 of 5796 (850171)
04-02-2019 1:31 PM
Reply to: Message 1103 by Faith
04-02-2019 1:09 PM


Re: More attacks on the nation
Trump is accused of significant crimes. The fact that you think there is no evidence demonstrates your abysmal ignorance. My messages had not to do with the Mueller investigation, but you can't figure it out. And I did give some evidence, which of course you ignored.
Let's look at his foundation. One of the major possible crimes that could be committed is "self dealing": using the tax-exempt foundation as a personal piggy bank.
"In January 2016 ” right before the Iowa caucus ” Trump threw a fundraiser for veterans instead of attending an upcoming primary debate. The Iowa fundraiser raised $5.6 million, with about $2.8 million going directly to the Trump Foundation. (The rest went to directly from donors to veterans’ groups and bypassed the foundation.)
But it was Trump campaign staff that directed the $2.8 million that went to the foundation. Emails and other evidence showed Lewandowski dictating the timing and amount of donations to various groups ahead of the Iowa caucus and at other points during the campaign, with the goal of promoting Trump and his candidacy"
"The Trump Foundation also mixed political and the foundation in September 2013 when it contributed $25,000 to a political group called “Justice for All” supporting the reelection of Florida’s attorney general, Pam Bondi.
The foundation said on its 2013 tax forms that it did not contribute to a political organization or campaign, according to the lawsuit"
"The lawsuit also alleges multiple instances where Trump used the foundation to pay off lawsuits or promote his businesses that were unrelated to his charity.
"Trump used his foundation to settle a 2006 lawsuit with the town of Palm Beach against Mar-a-Lago. He agreed to pay $100,000 to the Fisher House Foundation and personally instructed his staff to make the payment through his foundation. Here’s the note, which Trump himself signed"
"Among the transactions the lawsuit cited as illegal was a $10,000 payment to the Unicorn Children's Foundation for a portrait of Trump purchased at a fundraising auction in 2014. The portrait would end up decorating a wall at Trump's Doral golf resort near Miami, the Washington Post reported.
Another $100,000 went to another charity in 2007 to settle a legal dispute over a flagpole erected in violation of local ordinances at Mar-a-Lago, Trump's private club and sometime residence in Palm Beach, Florida."

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JonF
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Message 1105 of 5796 (850172)
04-02-2019 1:34 PM
Reply to: Message 1103 by Faith
04-02-2019 1:09 PM


Re: More attacks on the nation
And fo' lagniappe, bank fraud:
"Bloomberg’s Tim O’Brien and the New York Times’ David Enrich have recently produced well-researched, detailed articles about President Donald Trump’s relationship with Deutsche Bank. O’Brien and Enrich present numerous incidents going back twenty years of Trump “inflating his wealth” when trying to obtain approval for loans or securities underwriting. These incidents seriously call into question the quality of Deutsche Bank’s risk management enterprise-wide.
If it is proven that Trump knowingly exaggerated his net worth, then journalists need to start using the word ”lied.’ When anyone lies to a bank in order to receive credit or approval to underwrite a securities issue, this is called fraud. "

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Faith 
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Message 1106 of 5796 (850175)
04-02-2019 2:15 PM
Reply to: Message 1105 by JonF
04-02-2019 1:34 PM


Re: More attacks on the nation
Won't you be disappointed when people who understand these things absolve Trump of any hint of criminal intention. Too bad we have to put up with the innuendo in the first place though.

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DrJones*
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Message 1107 of 5796 (850176)
04-02-2019 2:15 PM
Reply to: Message 1103 by Faith
04-02-2019 1:09 PM


Re: More attacks on the nation
Just a bare assertion there, something you'd like to be true no doubt, but without a shred of evidence.
we have his personal lawyer's sworn statement that he was directed by Trump to pay off the women he had affairs with, these payments would be violations of campaign finance laws.

It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds
soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry
Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan
Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good
If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On
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Faith 
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Message 1108 of 5796 (850177)
04-02-2019 2:20 PM
Reply to: Message 1107 by DrJones*
04-02-2019 2:15 PM


Re: More attacks on the nation
Not sure a "sworn statement" from Coehen is worth much, but that aside, there is no campaign fraud involved in these transactions, according to lots of legal people on lots of interviews I've heard over the last year. Just more wishful thinking on the Left, just more effort to make things out to be criminal that aren't.

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DrJones*
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Message 1109 of 5796 (850179)
04-02-2019 2:42 PM
Reply to: Message 1108 by Faith
04-02-2019 2:20 PM


Re: More attacks on the nation
Not sure a "sworn statement" from Coehen is worth much,
He also has the cancelled checks from Trump reimbursing him. But you've now gone from "no shred of evidence" to "i don't believe this evidence".
there is no campaign fraud involved in these transactions, according to lots of legal people on lots of interviews I've heard over the last year
talking heads on the TV aren't the justice system, they don't determine what is and isn't a crime.

It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds
soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry
Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan
Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good
If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On
*not an actual doctor

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ooh-child
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Message 1110 of 5796 (850181)
04-02-2019 3:04 PM
Reply to: Message 1106 by Faith
04-02-2019 2:15 PM


Re: More attacks on the nation
Won't you be disappointed when people who understand these things absolve Trump of any hint of criminal intention.
Who is QAnon? The Storm Conspiracy, Explained
A new conspiracy theory called “The Storm” has taken the grimiest parts of the internet by, well, storm. Like Pizzagate, the Storm conspiracy features secret cabals, a child sex-trafficking ring led (in part) by the satanic Democratic Party, and of course, countless logical leaps and paranoid assumptions that fail to hold up under the slightest fact-based scrutiny. However, unlike Pizzagate, the Storm isn’t focused on a single block of shops in D.C., or John Podesta’s emails. It’s much, much bigger than that.
Faith, do you believe Q is really JFK Jr.?

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